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		<title>By: Jacob</title>
		<link>http://earlyretirementextreme.com/2008/01/am-i-cheap.html#comment-221</link>
		<dc:creator>Jacob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jan 2008 04:12:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can only think of one item of clothing that I still have from HS but that was 14 years ago ;) The preset wardrobe is really quite efficient especially if it follows the laundry cycle e.g. running out of all items simultaneously. I have heard (friend of a friend) of a guy that was even more optimized. He had 10 identical shirts paired with identical pants. That is, essentially one outfit with many backups.

I have never bought DW flowers, so her dad sends her flowers from time to time hoping that I will take a hint. I have bought her other things that were sometimes quite expensive (at least by my standard) out of season (not birthdays or xmas) because I thought it made sense (e.g. could be classified as an investment ;O) )</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can only think of one item of clothing that I still have from HS but that was 14 years ago <img src='http://earlyretirementextreme.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> The preset wardrobe is really quite efficient especially if it follows the laundry cycle e.g. running out of all items simultaneously. I have heard (friend of a friend) of a guy that was even more optimized. He had 10 identical shirts paired with identical pants. That is, essentially one outfit with many backups.</p>
<p>I have never bought DW flowers, so her dad sends her flowers from time to time hoping that I will take a hint. I have bought her other things that were sometimes quite expensive (at least by my standard) out of season (not birthdays or xmas) because I thought it made sense (e.g. could be classified as an investment ;O) )</p>
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		<title>By: livingalmostlarge</title>
		<link>http://earlyretirementextreme.com/2008/01/am-i-cheap.html#comment-218</link>
		<dc:creator>livingalmostlarge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jan 2008 02:34:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DH is that you?  Sigh.  And yes you are cheap, good thing you are married.  I tell my DH that all the time.  Tonight he proudly announced he's the only man who never treated a woman on a date.  He dated infrequently before me and usually in group settings.

With me we went Dutch.  I hate being "indebted" to any guy.  So we started off splitting everything and well it's never ended.  So technically he's never treated a woman!  Trust me he proudly announced this fact about his cheapness.

But I still love him.  And he pretty much lives by the same rules you do.  Do you still wear clothes from high school?  He won't gain a lb because he refuses to buy new clothes.  And for his job (also a phd) he wears exactly what I bought him almost 3 years ago with a determined set of 10 polos, 5 khakis, 10 long sleeved shirts, and 10 undershirts.  Same jacket from 8 years ago and same one pair of shoes.

So I guess I should stop calling him cheap and say he's thrifty.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DH is that you?  Sigh.  And yes you are cheap, good thing you are married.  I tell my DH that all the time.  Tonight he proudly announced he&#8217;s the only man who never treated a woman on a date.  He dated infrequently before me and usually in group settings.</p>
<p>With me we went Dutch.  I hate being &#8220;indebted&#8221; to any guy.  So we started off splitting everything and well it&#8217;s never ended.  So technically he&#8217;s never treated a woman!  Trust me he proudly announced this fact about his cheapness.</p>
<p>But I still love him.  And he pretty much lives by the same rules you do.  Do you still wear clothes from high school?  He won&#8217;t gain a lb because he refuses to buy new clothes.  And for his job (also a phd) he wears exactly what I bought him almost 3 years ago with a determined set of 10 polos, 5 khakis, 10 long sleeved shirts, and 10 undershirts.  Same jacket from 8 years ago and same one pair of shoes.</p>
<p>So I guess I should stop calling him cheap and say he&#8217;s thrifty.</p>
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		<title>By: Jacob</title>
		<link>http://earlyretirementextreme.com/2008/01/am-i-cheap.html#comment-212</link>
		<dc:creator>Jacob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jan 2008 02:14:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ amanda - There's this constant "what do they know that I don't"-sense about the whole thing that makes it seem unreal. But the stats are real..

http://financialplan.about.com/library/weekly/aa060901a.htm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ amanda - There&#8217;s this constant &#8220;what do they know that I don&#8217;t&#8221;-sense about the whole thing that makes it seem unreal. But the stats are real..</p>
<p><a href="http://financialplan.about.com/library/weekly/aa060901a.htm" rel="nofollow">http://financialplan.about.com/library/weekly/aa060901a.htm</a></p>
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		<title>By: Amanda @ Me vs Debt</title>
		<link>http://earlyretirementextreme.com/2008/01/am-i-cheap.html#comment-211</link>
		<dc:creator>Amanda @ Me vs Debt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jan 2008 01:53:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to say I feel the same about quality and happiness over pure-consumer driven quantity.  Sometimes its hard - the little part of my mind that has been influenced by society makes me feel like I'm missing out on something.  (I'm going to blog about this soon.) Then I take a look around - I'm comfortable my half of an apartment in a city I enjoy, with plants and pets to take care of, a supportive boyfriend, a job that I love, a young healthy body, and a sharp mind.  Beyond the happiness I feel with everything I have right here, there are only distractions. 

Just curious - are those stats ("Each week parents on average spend less time with their children than they do shopping for more stuff. Each year more Americans file for bankruptcy than graduate from college.") for real or just illustrative? Scary stuff!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to say I feel the same about quality and happiness over pure-consumer driven quantity.  Sometimes its hard - the little part of my mind that has been influenced by society makes me feel like I&#8217;m missing out on something.  (I&#8217;m going to blog about this soon.) Then I take a look around - I&#8217;m comfortable my half of an apartment in a city I enjoy, with plants and pets to take care of, a supportive boyfriend, a job that I love, a young healthy body, and a sharp mind.  Beyond the happiness I feel with everything I have right here, there are only distractions. </p>
<p>Just curious - are those stats (&#8221;Each week parents on average spend less time with their children than they do shopping for more stuff. Each year more Americans file for bankruptcy than graduate from college.&#8221;) for real or just illustrative? Scary stuff!</p>
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		<title>By: Jacob</title>
		<link>http://earlyretirementextreme.com/2008/01/am-i-cheap.html#comment-208</link>
		<dc:creator>Jacob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jan 2008 00:40:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ brian - Still these statistics means that over a lifetime, there are more people that manage to get a bankruptcy than a college education. I'm assuming that few people get more than one college education and that few people go bankrupt more than once. 

@ fathersez - humans are also different because that can consume resources exogenously. Animals can only eat so much, but we can scale our consumption until we run out. I remember reading somewhere that humanity at its present stage control/use 50% of the entire biosphere.

@ brooke - good luck with the nagging ;-) We move every 2-3 years as well which is one of the reasons I don't like to bogged down with too much stuff.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ brian - Still these statistics means that over a lifetime, there are more people that manage to get a bankruptcy than a college education. I&#8217;m assuming that few people get more than one college education and that few people go bankrupt more than once. </p>
<p>@ fathersez - humans are also different because that can consume resources exogenously. Animals can only eat so much, but we can scale our consumption until we run out. I remember reading somewhere that humanity at its present stage control/use 50% of the entire biosphere.</p>
<p>@ brooke - good luck with the nagging <img src='http://earlyretirementextreme.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> We move every 2-3 years as well which is one of the reasons I don&#8217;t like to bogged down with too much stuff.</p>
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		<title>By: Brooke (Dollar Frugal)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brooke (Dollar Frugal)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jan 2008 23:27:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am in LOVE with those Tumbleweed homes.  They're perfect for us as we have to move every few years...DH is almost on board...just a little more coaxing..er, nagging.  We would buy it right before leaving here in two years, that way we would have time to save up the cash.  Thanks so much for the link - I'm so excited!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am in LOVE with those Tumbleweed homes.  They&#8217;re perfect for us as we have to move every few years&#8230;DH is almost on board&#8230;just a little more coaxing..er, nagging.  We would buy it right before leaving here in two years, that way we would have time to save up the cash.  Thanks so much for the link - I&#8217;m so excited!</p>
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		<title>By: fathersez</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jan 2008 09:30:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, you are not cheap. You have chosen to live your life the way you want. Spend less now so that you can enjoy later.

Even nature has these rules. Bears and squirrels do this.

It may be sad, but it appears to be an unfortunate truth that humans have an default setting to self destruct. 

So people like you will be seen to be going against the common tide and seen to be off centred. 

But the fact is, you are just living the way you want. 

And there are a number of people, who like me, get inspired by people like you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, you are not cheap. You have chosen to live your life the way you want. Spend less now so that you can enjoy later.</p>
<p>Even nature has these rules. Bears and squirrels do this.</p>
<p>It may be sad, but it appears to be an unfortunate truth that humans have an default setting to self destruct. </p>
<p>So people like you will be seen to be going against the common tide and seen to be off centred. </p>
<p>But the fact is, you are just living the way you want. </p>
<p>And there are a number of people, who like me, get inspired by people like you.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jan 2008 04:19:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wouldn't call you cheap, you are what many would call extreme, but if everyone was to line up there would be people that you might consider extreme.  A couple of year ago here in the Bay Area, one guy with a decent income was camping illeaglly and was only found because he "borrowed" some contruction battaries to run his lights. 


 "Each year more Americans file for bankruptcy than graduate from college." 


Yes, there are more BK's then graduates but I think it's really misleading when the majority of people graduating are in a narrow age range (22-24), and anybody of anyage can file for BK.  If you broke it down by age range it wouldn't be as shocking</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wouldn&#8217;t call you cheap, you are what many would call extreme, but if everyone was to line up there would be people that you might consider extreme.  A couple of year ago here in the Bay Area, one guy with a decent income was camping illeaglly and was only found because he &#8220;borrowed&#8221; some contruction battaries to run his lights. </p>
<p> &#8220;Each year more Americans file for bankruptcy than graduate from college.&#8221; </p>
<p>Yes, there are more BK&#8217;s then graduates but I think it&#8217;s really misleading when the majority of people graduating are in a narrow age range (22-24), and anybody of anyage can file for BK.  If you broke it down by age range it wouldn&#8217;t be as shocking</p>
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		<title>By: Jacob</title>
		<link>http://earlyretirementextreme.com/2008/01/am-i-cheap.html#comment-202</link>
		<dc:creator>Jacob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jan 2008 01:38:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ jane - I know the problem of being a green libertarian capitalist. One tends to have something to disagree with with everyone. Symmetry would suggest that it should also be possible to agree on at least something with everybody too as well. I'm working on that. I think RV parks or trailer parks would be the first choice to park a tumbleweed house. I live on the other side of the bay and "parking rights" would cost only $500 per month which is nothing compared to the rent around here.

@ debbie m - one thing I did when I started compacting was to look into hobbies that did not take up so much space. For instance, I used to compose music with a keyboard hooked up to the computer. Instead I picked up a good recorder (flute) at a flea market and learned how to play that. I have done some online volunteering. And there was the home gym thing where focused on power endurance rather than size. Fortunately, I can get interested in pretty much anything, so it was not so difficult. With book cases, I've found that if you "file" your books horizontal as well as vertical it is possible to reduce the needed amount of shelf space by about 25%. With camping, there's ultralight backpacking. Usually there's always an interesting light weight or space saving alternative.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ jane - I know the problem of being a green libertarian capitalist. One tends to have something to disagree with with everyone. Symmetry would suggest that it should also be possible to agree on at least something with everybody too as well. I&#8217;m working on that. I think RV parks or trailer parks would be the first choice to park a tumbleweed house. I live on the other side of the bay and &#8220;parking rights&#8221; would cost only $500 per month which is nothing compared to the rent around here.</p>
<p>@ debbie m - one thing I did when I started compacting was to look into hobbies that did not take up so much space. For instance, I used to compose music with a keyboard hooked up to the computer. Instead I picked up a good recorder (flute) at a flea market and learned how to play that. I have done some online volunteering. And there was the home gym thing where focused on power endurance rather than size. Fortunately, I can get interested in pretty much anything, so it was not so difficult. With book cases, I&#8217;ve found that if you &#8220;file&#8221; your books horizontal as well as vertical it is possible to reduce the needed amount of shelf space by about 25%. With camping, there&#8217;s ultralight backpacking. Usually there&#8217;s always an interesting light weight or space saving alternative.</p>
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		<title>By: Debbie M</title>
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		<dc:creator>Debbie M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jan 2008 00:26:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On the volume-of-stuff issue, I think it depends somewhat on what your hobbies are.  Some hobbies can really take up a lot of space, and I don't just mean expensive hobbies like flying helicoptors.  Carpentry requires some big equipment and a lot of space (though much of the space can be outside if you have much decent weather).  Waltzing takes more space than even an empty living room can provide.  Camping supplies can take up a bit of space.  Cooking requires a whole room!

Of course there are also some hobbies that traditionally take up a lot of space but don't have to.  Knitting and sewing don't have to take a lot of space if you can keep a lid on the fabric and yarn stashes, though you'll occasionally need a large space to cut fabric.  Readers may benefit from a bookshelf or two so they always have something on hand if they also have access to a library, but many have loads of shelves and more books than will fit on them.

But if you have a lot of hobbies, it can really add up.  This is the issue I'm working with.  Mostly I do this by having one big room that can be used for carpentry or sewing or practicing cha cha or having a dinner party, so long as I clean it up again between hobbies.  Then keep the supplies to the minimum (a few high-quality tools, and no going overboard on the raw materials).  Another good idea is to recognize when an old hobby no longer interests you.

I'm on the look-out for more strategies, though because I'd really like the two of us and our guitars, piano, suitcases, sleeping bags, dance shoes, climbing shoes, cleats, sewing machine, DVD player, bookshelves, etc. to be more comfortable in our 1000-square-foot house.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the volume-of-stuff issue, I think it depends somewhat on what your hobbies are.  Some hobbies can really take up a lot of space, and I don&#8217;t just mean expensive hobbies like flying helicoptors.  Carpentry requires some big equipment and a lot of space (though much of the space can be outside if you have much decent weather).  Waltzing takes more space than even an empty living room can provide.  Camping supplies can take up a bit of space.  Cooking requires a whole room!</p>
<p>Of course there are also some hobbies that traditionally take up a lot of space but don&#8217;t have to.  Knitting and sewing don&#8217;t have to take a lot of space if you can keep a lid on the fabric and yarn stashes, though you&#8217;ll occasionally need a large space to cut fabric.  Readers may benefit from a bookshelf or two so they always have something on hand if they also have access to a library, but many have loads of shelves and more books than will fit on them.</p>
<p>But if you have a lot of hobbies, it can really add up.  This is the issue I&#8217;m working with.  Mostly I do this by having one big room that can be used for carpentry or sewing or practicing cha cha or having a dinner party, so long as I clean it up again between hobbies.  Then keep the supplies to the minimum (a few high-quality tools, and no going overboard on the raw materials).  Another good idea is to recognize when an old hobby no longer interests you.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m on the look-out for more strategies, though because I&#8217;d really like the two of us and our guitars, piano, suitcases, sleeping bags, dance shoes, climbing shoes, cleats, sewing machine, DVD player, bookshelves, etc. to be more comfortable in our 1000-square-foot house.</p>
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