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	<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 22:34:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
		<link>http://earlyretirementextreme.com/2008/02/when-good-people-give-bad-financial-advice.html#comment-801</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Mar 2008 05:13:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Hunter,

I know I was just as ignorant of stocks and investing in general in the past as your friend, but have you considered educating her? I, for one, would have been extremely grateful to be taught something new!

"I knew I couldn’t get her to understand that at the age of 27.." - why not?

And 
"But if you know it’s a bad idea, should you tell them not to do it? Hmmm…", again, why not?

I guess where I'm coming from is that, having had to learn some things the hard way, I'm up for learning with/teaching my friends. (In fact, I'll be spending a day or 2 this weekend doing a lot reading with a friend and discussing our strategies).

Looking forward to your reply!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Hunter,</p>
<p>I know I was just as ignorant of stocks and investing in general in the past as your friend, but have you considered educating her? I, for one, would have been extremely grateful to be taught something new!</p>
<p>&#8220;I knew I couldn’t get her to understand that at the age of 27..&#8221; - why not?</p>
<p>And<br />
&#8220;But if you know it’s a bad idea, should you tell them not to do it? Hmmm…&#8221;, again, why not?</p>
<p>I guess where I&#8217;m coming from is that, having had to learn some things the hard way, I&#8217;m up for learning with/teaching my friends. (In fact, I&#8217;ll be spending a day or 2 this weekend doing a lot reading with a friend and discussing our strategies).</p>
<p>Looking forward to your reply!</p>
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		<title>By: Hunter Nuttall</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hunter Nuttall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Mar 2008 22:25:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ian, I like the phrase "pub talk." Hearsay and rumor from non-experts who've had too much to drink--who doesn't see a problem there? Having a list of experts you can refer people to is a good idea. You can also use these experts to create your mastermind group.

Plouffey, that's strange that someone got mad at you for that. I could see someone disagreeing with you about it, but why do you think they got mad? I think ARMs are usually a better deal than fixed rate mortgages, but anytime you can only afford a property with a certain type of mortgage, that's a sign that it's way too expensive. Glad to hear you didn't overextend yourself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ian, I like the phrase &#8220;pub talk.&#8221; Hearsay and rumor from non-experts who&#8217;ve had too much to drink&#8211;who doesn&#8217;t see a problem there? Having a list of experts you can refer people to is a good idea. You can also use these experts to create your mastermind group.</p>
<p>Plouffey, that&#8217;s strange that someone got mad at you for that. I could see someone disagreeing with you about it, but why do you think they got mad? I think ARMs are usually a better deal than fixed rate mortgages, but anytime you can only afford a property with a certain type of mortgage, that&#8217;s a sign that it&#8217;s way too expensive. Glad to hear you didn&#8217;t overextend yourself.</p>
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		<title>By: plouffey</title>
		<link>http://earlyretirementextreme.com/2008/02/when-good-people-give-bad-financial-advice.html#comment-600</link>
		<dc:creator>plouffey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Mar 2008 16:50:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had someone mad at me because I wouldn't get an ARM loan to get a condo that I couldn't afford.  I knew I couldn't afford it so I didn't do it. 

Now, I have no debt, an emergency fund, and a nice 401(k) going. Meanwhile, she is upsidedown on two properties and will probably lose everything.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had someone mad at me because I wouldn&#8217;t get an ARM loan to get a condo that I couldn&#8217;t afford.  I knew I couldn&#8217;t afford it so I didn&#8217;t do it. </p>
<p>Now, I have no debt, an emergency fund, and a nice 401(k) going. Meanwhile, she is upsidedown on two properties and will probably lose everything.</p>
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		<title>By: Hunter Nuttall</title>
		<link>http://earlyretirementextreme.com/2008/02/when-good-people-give-bad-financial-advice.html#comment-598</link>
		<dc:creator>Hunter Nuttall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Mar 2008 06:26:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Ron, that's a good tip about asking if they're following their own advice. I guess if the answer is no, you can simply tell them to try it and let you know how it goes. But if you know it's a bad idea, should you tell them not to do it? Hmmm...

@ Moneymonk, all the time I hear people talking about stocks being risky, but I think these people have never owned or even researched any stocks themselves. Someone hears about Enron, and that puts a stigma on the entire asset class of stocks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Ron, that&#8217;s a good tip about asking if they&#8217;re following their own advice. I guess if the answer is no, you can simply tell them to try it and let you know how it goes. But if you know it&#8217;s a bad idea, should you tell them not to do it? Hmmm&#8230;</p>
<p>@ Moneymonk, all the time I hear people talking about stocks being risky, but I think these people have never owned or even researched any stocks themselves. Someone hears about Enron, and that puts a stigma on the entire asset class of stocks.</p>
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		<title>By: Ian Denny</title>
		<link>http://earlyretirementextreme.com/2008/02/when-good-people-give-bad-financial-advice.html#comment-597</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian Denny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Mar 2008 06:24:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm from the UK. My accountant has a wonderful phrase which applies here - "pub talk".

That's where you get proxy advice from friends based upon hearsay and rumour. And hearsay and rumour from non-experts very easily enters the community knowledge-base without any expert filtering.

It becomes true because it's feasibly credible. For example, and you still hear this today, "the taxman paid for my shiny new car outside".

It's nonsense. The deductions you have to take on a personal taxation level, completely counteract any write-down benefits the company receives. What's giveth is taken away elsehwhere.

But it's a great boast down the pub to your mates. Completely without foundation though.

Great article and advice to beware of giving advice in areas you don't understand. And to be wary of the source of the advice and who is giving it.

I get calls from clients asking advice on IT. Being such a wide field from PCs to programming, from web-sites to blogs etc, you cannot be all things to all people. We do one ot two things very well and can rightly claim to be expert. But there is a line.

So it may be useful to have a list of experts you can refer people to if you expect to be asked about areas you cannot properly give advice on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m from the UK. My accountant has a wonderful phrase which applies here - &#8220;pub talk&#8221;.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s where you get proxy advice from friends based upon hearsay and rumour. And hearsay and rumour from non-experts very easily enters the community knowledge-base without any expert filtering.</p>
<p>It becomes true because it&#8217;s feasibly credible. For example, and you still hear this today, &#8220;the taxman paid for my shiny new car outside&#8221;.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s nonsense. The deductions you have to take on a personal taxation level, completely counteract any write-down benefits the company receives. What&#8217;s giveth is taken away elsehwhere.</p>
<p>But it&#8217;s a great boast down the pub to your mates. Completely without foundation though.</p>
<p>Great article and advice to beware of giving advice in areas you don&#8217;t understand. And to be wary of the source of the advice and who is giving it.</p>
<p>I get calls from clients asking advice on IT. Being such a wide field from PCs to programming, from web-sites to blogs etc, you cannot be all things to all people. We do one ot two things very well and can rightly claim to be expert. But there is a line.</p>
<p>So it may be useful to have a list of experts you can refer people to if you expect to be asked about areas you cannot properly give advice on.</p>
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		<title>By: Moneymonk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Moneymonk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 18:09:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"You should take all your money out of stocks and put it someplace safe."

LOL

a classic one.  Being in the PF culture, I have heard it all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;You should take all your money out of stocks and put it someplace safe.&#8221;</p>
<p>LOL</p>
<p>a classic one.  Being in the PF culture, I have heard it all.</p>
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		<title>By: Ron@TheWisdomJournal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ron@TheWisdomJournal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 17:53:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"No need to start a fight that both of you will lose."

THAT'S the best advice you could ever give! I try to make it a habit to only heed the advice of people who have done what I want to accomplish. Experience trumps all in my book. Sometimes experience is negative, as in "Don't do what I did." But it is still experience nonetheless.

Another thing I ask when receiving advice is, "Are you doing this? How's it going?" If someone won't even follow their own advice, it's best to just change the subject!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;No need to start a fight that both of you will lose.&#8221;</p>
<p>THAT&#8217;S the best advice you could ever give! I try to make it a habit to only heed the advice of people who have done what I want to accomplish. Experience trumps all in my book. Sometimes experience is negative, as in &#8220;Don&#8217;t do what I did.&#8221; But it is still experience nonetheless.</p>
<p>Another thing I ask when receiving advice is, &#8220;Are you doing this? How&#8217;s it going?&#8221; If someone won&#8217;t even follow their own advice, it&#8217;s best to just change the subject!</p>
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		<title>By: Hunter Nuttall</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hunter Nuttall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 16:04:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, it's great to see my first guest post ever go live! I'm going to be missing in action most of the weekend starting this afternoon, but I plan to squeeze in some time to respond to all the comments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, it&#8217;s great to see my first guest post ever go live! I&#8217;m going to be missing in action most of the weekend starting this afternoon, but I plan to squeeze in some time to respond to all the comments.</p>
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