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	<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 19:26:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: misanthropope</title>
		<link>http://earlyretirementextreme.com/2008/03/fit-dad-fat-dad.html#comment-2522</link>
		<dc:creator>misanthropope</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Oct 2008 03:41:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RDPD gets scoffed at because a) a complete fabrication and b) useless. 

the only thing That Guy demonstrates about finance is the old truth:  it's a lot easier to get rich selling financial advice than by _following_ your own advice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RDPD gets scoffed at because a) a complete fabrication and b) useless. </p>
<p>the only thing That Guy demonstrates about finance is the old truth:  it&#8217;s a lot easier to get rich selling financial advice than by _following_ your own advice.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Austin</title>
		<link>http://earlyretirementextreme.com/2008/03/fit-dad-fat-dad.html#comment-700</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Austin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Mar 2008 07:05:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RDPD is worth reading once, as long as you don't pay for it.  The writing/editing was sub-standard, but the narrative was mildly entertaining.  I liked the RD outside-the-box streak.  I got what I needed out of a single reading.  Wonder how he's doing on residential property tax liens these days?  ;-\  Has anyone here invested in that Kiyosaki-preferred investment vehicle?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RDPD is worth reading once, as long as you don&#8217;t pay for it.  The writing/editing was sub-standard, but the narrative was mildly entertaining.  I liked the RD outside-the-box streak.  I got what I needed out of a single reading.  Wonder how he&#8217;s doing on residential property tax liens these days?  ;-\  Has anyone here invested in that Kiyosaki-preferred investment vehicle?</p>
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		<title>By: Tyler</title>
		<link>http://earlyretirementextreme.com/2008/03/fit-dad-fat-dad.html#comment-699</link>
		<dc:creator>Tyler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Mar 2008 06:23:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problem I have with RDPD is that he downplays risk and mocks those who are trying to be careful. He's trying to sell you something, not explain it. There's a pretty big difference, I think.

Without careful planning, risking everything you have can be a disaster. Of course risk-reward levels are linked, but a higher risk of failure due to foolish planning does not increase reward. ;-) He definitely advocates pulling out all the stops of safe and "stupid" retirement vehicles and going full risk. He also mocks those who don't choose his path and thinks himself superior.

And of course he wrote it that way to rile people up and get them talking. He's a salesman after all, not a writer. The question now is, could he have written a book that shook people up but didn't have the negatives I mentioned? Perhaps not.

Ok I'm done. :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem I have with RDPD is that he downplays risk and mocks those who are trying to be careful. He&#8217;s trying to sell you something, not explain it. There&#8217;s a pretty big difference, I think.</p>
<p>Without careful planning, risking everything you have can be a disaster. Of course risk-reward levels are linked, but a higher risk of failure due to foolish planning does not increase reward. <img src='http://earlyretirementextreme.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> He definitely advocates pulling out all the stops of safe and &#8220;stupid&#8221; retirement vehicles and going full risk. He also mocks those who don&#8217;t choose his path and thinks himself superior.</p>
<p>And of course he wrote it that way to rile people up and get them talking. He&#8217;s a salesman after all, not a writer. The question now is, could he have written a book that shook people up but didn&#8217;t have the negatives I mentioned? Perhaps not.</p>
<p>Ok I&#8217;m done. <img src='http://earlyretirementextreme.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Heidi</title>
		<link>http://earlyretirementextreme.com/2008/03/fit-dad-fat-dad.html#comment-698</link>
		<dc:creator>Heidi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Mar 2008 23:36:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You really could extend this idea into a book.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You really could extend this idea into a book.</p>
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		<title>By: Jacob</title>
		<link>http://earlyretirementextreme.com/2008/03/fit-dad-fat-dad.html#comment-692</link>
		<dc:creator>Jacob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Mar 2008 16:05:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Heidi - Pushing the analogue further, strength training is like building assets. It builds muscles and bone strength which one can tap in later. In addition muscle increases rest metabolism by about 35kcal/pound of muscle/day. Following strength training the metabolism will be significantly increased as the body tries to build up the muscles. Aerobics on the other hand is like having a job. The more you work, the more you get paid, but you are not building any assets to speak of. Once work stops, no more calories are burned. And there are no assets except an improved circulatory system.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Heidi - Pushing the analogue further, strength training is like building assets. It builds muscles and bone strength which one can tap in later. In addition muscle increases rest metabolism by about 35kcal/pound of muscle/day. Following strength training the metabolism will be significantly increased as the body tries to build up the muscles. Aerobics on the other hand is like having a job. The more you work, the more you get paid, but you are not building any assets to speak of. Once work stops, no more calories are burned. And there are no assets except an improved circulatory system.</p>
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		<title>By: Heidi</title>
		<link>http://earlyretirementextreme.com/2008/03/fit-dad-fat-dad.html#comment-662</link>
		<dc:creator>Heidi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 15:35:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jacob,

This was really a great article for me. Thank you for posting it. When I read RDPD, it solidified the investing as a way to wealth idea for me. (Luckily growing up, I grew up on a dairy farm and the idea of having more dairy cows to produce more income was one I had already seen in action, and as a result I did not have the ingrained 8-5 paycheck reward mentality that so many grow up with). Anyway, my weight is something I have struggled with from the age of 12. Sometimes successfully, more often (and currently) not. I think your post really points out the error in my thinking. I naturally refrain from spending money, because of the future opportunities it represents to me (wealth creation, security, the ability to quit working for someone else). However, I have always looked at eating as something I get to do at the next available opportunity (similar to how some people automatically go to the mall once they have received their paycheck-or often before they have... ie credit card purchases). Often I will eat before I "need" more fuel, because it is fun, I enjoy it. Your post really points out that I need to change how I think about food and what it is for. Until I do that, I will never be permanently successful with keeping the weight off. It also explains why I have been able to lose the excess weight three times, but always gained it back plus extra. For about three years in my early twenties, I was able to stay at a fit weight. I remember at the time I would always ask myself how much was the least I could get away with eating and I would consciously try to eat nutrient dense (in comparison to calories) food.

If I could successfully change my mindset about food, then it would not be a case of depriving myself from food... but more of the feeling of mastery over my food. I feel this way about money now. I may not have the bank account that represents my wealth -yet-, but the mindset is in place and financial independence is only a matter of time. 

Anyway, thanks for an insightfull post. Success in many areas of life depends on outlook and then action.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jacob,</p>
<p>This was really a great article for me. Thank you for posting it. When I read RDPD, it solidified the investing as a way to wealth idea for me. (Luckily growing up, I grew up on a dairy farm and the idea of having more dairy cows to produce more income was one I had already seen in action, and as a result I did not have the ingrained 8-5 paycheck reward mentality that so many grow up with). Anyway, my weight is something I have struggled with from the age of 12. Sometimes successfully, more often (and currently) not. I think your post really points out the error in my thinking. I naturally refrain from spending money, because of the future opportunities it represents to me (wealth creation, security, the ability to quit working for someone else). However, I have always looked at eating as something I get to do at the next available opportunity (similar to how some people automatically go to the mall once they have received their paycheck-or often before they have&#8230; ie credit card purchases). Often I will eat before I &#8220;need&#8221; more fuel, because it is fun, I enjoy it. Your post really points out that I need to change how I think about food and what it is for. Until I do that, I will never be permanently successful with keeping the weight off. It also explains why I have been able to lose the excess weight three times, but always gained it back plus extra. For about three years in my early twenties, I was able to stay at a fit weight. I remember at the time I would always ask myself how much was the least I could get away with eating and I would consciously try to eat nutrient dense (in comparison to calories) food.</p>
<p>If I could successfully change my mindset about food, then it would not be a case of depriving myself from food&#8230; but more of the feeling of mastery over my food. I feel this way about money now. I may not have the bank account that represents my wealth -yet-, but the mindset is in place and financial independence is only a matter of time. </p>
<p>Anyway, thanks for an insightfull post. Success in many areas of life depends on outlook and then action.</p>
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		<title>By: Jacob</title>
		<link>http://earlyretirementextreme.com/2008/03/fit-dad-fat-dad.html#comment-661</link>
		<dc:creator>Jacob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 04:34:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Steve - I think you [completely] misunderstood my point. I meant to say "fat dads" see appearance whereas "fit dads" see capability whether that is the ability to deadlift or do pull ups. I don't think I mentioned strength training at all in that post. But just to make my position clear. I favor strength training over aerobics, but I think power endurance (the 30 pull ups, not the 200 sit ups) is more useful than either because it taxes all three energy systems. Incidentally I can clean and [strict] press 75% of my body weight (2x70lbs) so I'm no stranger to strength. As for power my record is 50 C&#38;J of 100lbs within 8 mins.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Steve - I think you [completely] misunderstood my point. I meant to say &#8220;fat dads&#8221; see appearance whereas &#8220;fit dads&#8221; see capability whether that is the ability to deadlift or do pull ups. I don&#8217;t think I mentioned strength training at all in that post. But just to make my position clear. I favor strength training over aerobics, but I think power endurance (the 30 pull ups, not the 200 sit ups) is more useful than either because it taxes all three energy systems. Incidentally I can clean and [strict] press 75% of my body weight (2&#215;70lbs) so I&#8217;m no stranger to strength. As for power my record is 50 C&amp;J of 100lbs within 8 mins.</p>
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		<title>By: betsy teutsch - MoneyChangesThings</title>
		<link>http://earlyretirementextreme.com/2008/03/fit-dad-fat-dad.html#comment-660</link>
		<dc:creator>betsy teutsch - MoneyChangesThings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 04:33:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>what some of us hate about RDPD is his idea that all poor people are poor because they are just not thinking right and changing their behaviors accordingly.  Attitude and behavior can make a difference, but poverty is a lot more complicated than thinking like a rich person.  I'm sure that of the several billion poor people on the planet there are some just as clever as the author of RDPD, but still not able to break out of the cycle.  RDPD doesn't have an explanation for that....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>what some of us hate about RDPD is his idea that all poor people are poor because they are just not thinking right and changing their behaviors accordingly.  Attitude and behavior can make a difference, but poverty is a lot more complicated than thinking like a rich person.  I&#8217;m sure that of the several billion poor people on the planet there are some just as clever as the author of RDPD, but still not able to break out of the cycle.  RDPD doesn&#8217;t have an explanation for that&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
		<link>http://earlyretirementextreme.com/2008/03/fit-dad-fat-dad.html#comment-659</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 04:12:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"When it comes to exercising fat dad sees the ripped abs and bulging biceps whereas fit dad sees the ability to do 200 situps or 30 pull ups."

This is utterly ridiculous. Go tell a bodybuilder who made all his gains naturally or an Olympic lifter they're not fit because it doesnt match your definition of arbitrary tests of muscular endurance.  They will probably dead lift your car and drop it in a ravine.  In fact the negative view of strength training your article inadvertently perpetrates is one of the biggest problems in terms of the way people view health today.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;When it comes to exercising fat dad sees the ripped abs and bulging biceps whereas fit dad sees the ability to do 200 situps or 30 pull ups.&#8221;</p>
<p>This is utterly ridiculous. Go tell a bodybuilder who made all his gains naturally or an Olympic lifter they&#8217;re not fit because it doesnt match your definition of arbitrary tests of muscular endurance.  They will probably dead lift your car and drop it in a ravine.  In fact the negative view of strength training your article inadvertently perpetrates is one of the biggest problems in terms of the way people view health today.</p>
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		<title>By: jane in sf</title>
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		<dc:creator>jane in sf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 01:51:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve Austin: We have to come up with some anti-merchandising merchandise to go with Jacob's first book - say, a patchwork type T-shirt out of recycled materials that only fit a fit body :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve Austin: We have to come up with some anti-merchandising merchandise to go with Jacob&#8217;s first book - say, a patchwork type T-shirt out of recycled materials that only fit a fit body <img src='http://earlyretirementextreme.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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