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		<title>By: Hannah</title>
		<link>http://earlyretirementextreme.com/2008/04/why-i-wont-join-th-middle-class.html#comment-1032</link>
		<dc:creator>Hannah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Apr 2008 03:41:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A-bloody-MEN.

Where I work (as a entry-level admin. assistant jack of all trades) I'm surrounded by middle and upper middle-class people who fascinate me in their absolute stupidity. They complain and moan about financial anxiety and live in constant terror of losing their jobs, YET the parking lot of our office building is filled with LEASED Bmws and Mercedes Benzes. I had the unpleasant task of doing some of their taxes, and you would NOT believe some of the ridiculous purchases that these people make. One person had spent over $5,000 at The Sharper Image (a.k.a. junk) alone! And this same individual who by all accounts is drowning in debt, has elected to trade in his "old" (last year's model BMW) for a new one! Insanity. Yet this semi-retarded behavior is apparently the norm for most of the middle class. I think it all comes down to the need to impress the other rats in the cage. But you know, you can win the rat race (biggest cars, shiniest toys) but you're still a rat. 

The number ONE liability that disrupts FI is this horrid little nesting instinct that starts to develop the minute you begin to earn slightly more than you expend on rent/food. It's the nesting instinct of a confined pet. People should keep themselves hungry (go asceticism!) to remind themselves of why they started saving for FI in the first place. Freedom to be, to say, to feel, to live, without constantly and secretly quaking in fear over the chance that your "master" might elect not to to feed you your food pellets one day. I don't care how big or shiny your house or car is... that is just an undignified way to live.</description>
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<p>Where I work (as a entry-level admin. assistant jack of all trades) I&#8217;m surrounded by middle and upper middle-class people who fascinate me in their absolute stupidity. They complain and moan about financial anxiety and live in constant terror of losing their jobs, YET the parking lot of our office building is filled with LEASED Bmws and Mercedes Benzes. I had the unpleasant task of doing some of their taxes, and you would NOT believe some of the ridiculous purchases that these people make. One person had spent over $5,000 at The Sharper Image (a.k.a. junk) alone! And this same individual who by all accounts is drowning in debt, has elected to trade in his &#8220;old&#8221; (last year&#8217;s model BMW) for a new one! Insanity. Yet this semi-retarded behavior is apparently the norm for most of the middle class. I think it all comes down to the need to impress the other rats in the cage. But you know, you can win the rat race (biggest cars, shiniest toys) but you&#8217;re still a rat. </p>
<p>The number ONE liability that disrupts FI is this horrid little nesting instinct that starts to develop the minute you begin to earn slightly more than you expend on rent/food. It&#8217;s the nesting instinct of a confined pet. People should keep themselves hungry (go asceticism!) to remind themselves of why they started saving for FI in the first place. Freedom to be, to say, to feel, to live, without constantly and secretly quaking in fear over the chance that your &#8220;master&#8221; might elect not to to feed you your food pellets one day. I don&#8217;t care how big or shiny your house or car is&#8230; that is just an undignified way to live.</p>
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		<title>By: AJC @ 7million7years</title>
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		<dc:creator>AJC @ 7million7years</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 21:37:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rob Madrid said:

"For the average person the best thing they can do is mimic the Millionaire Next Door , that is drive an older car, live in a smaller house, take less expensive vacations and pack alot of money away. In a few years your assets will be more than sufficient to fund a comfortable middle class lifestyle."

That's only PART of the $1m'N'Door story, the OTHER part is that you need a business (and/or be in the 'business' of actively investing).

You simply can't save your way to a healthy retirement ... by the time most people get to $1m in savings, their passive income from that 'cash brick' will only be worth $15k per year in today's spending power.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rob Madrid said:</p>
<p>&#8220;For the average person the best thing they can do is mimic the Millionaire Next Door , that is drive an older car, live in a smaller house, take less expensive vacations and pack alot of money away. In a few years your assets will be more than sufficient to fund a comfortable middle class lifestyle.&#8221;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s only PART of the $1m&#8217;N'Door story, the OTHER part is that you need a business (and/or be in the &#8216;business&#8217; of actively investing).</p>
<p>You simply can&#8217;t save your way to a healthy retirement &#8230; by the time most people get to $1m in savings, their passive income from that &#8216;cash brick&#8217; will only be worth $15k per year in today&#8217;s spending power.</p>
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		<title>By: Moneymonk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Moneymonk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 16:53:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"...However, practically, the middle class must hold some kind of job lest they run out of the money they need for food, bills, or lose “their” mortgaged home"

well said. Most live paycheck to paycheck trying to pay daily expenses and splurges.

I at 50/50 I work and I also have side business, I invest a nice portion of my salary as well. So Im almost there!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230;However, practically, the middle class must hold some kind of job lest they run out of the money they need for food, bills, or lose “their” mortgaged home&#8221;</p>
<p>well said. Most live paycheck to paycheck trying to pay daily expenses and splurges.</p>
<p>I at 50/50 I work and I also have side business, I invest a nice portion of my salary as well. So Im almost there!</p>
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		<title>By: m-</title>
		<link>http://earlyretirementextreme.com/2008/04/why-i-wont-join-th-middle-class.html#comment-1008</link>
		<dc:creator>m-</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 13:24:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>People will argue/compair about anything shoes, cars, jobs, money, wifes, husbands, row-boats, yachts. Does it really make a difference? Not really... If your happy, who cares what other people are doing. People get rich, rich get poor... Mountians become bolders that move to stones that turn to sand... these are the days of our lives... blah blah blah..... 

Just try to make yourself happy, if people don't like you for being yourself. They can go piss up a rope...  Problem Solved.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People will argue/compair about anything shoes, cars, jobs, money, wifes, husbands, row-boats, yachts. Does it really make a difference? Not really&#8230; If your happy, who cares what other people are doing. People get rich, rich get poor&#8230; Mountians become bolders that move to stones that turn to sand&#8230; these are the days of our lives&#8230; blah blah blah&#8230;.. </p>
<p>Just try to make yourself happy, if people don&#8217;t like you for being yourself. They can go piss up a rope&#8230;  Problem Solved.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Madrid</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Madrid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 09:22:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A very eloquent summary of the idea behin Your Money or Your life. Problem is even with frugal living it's very difficult to resist the siren call of the middle class. For the average person the best thing they can do is mimic the Millionaire Next Door , that is drive an older car, live in a smaller house, take less expensive vacations and pack alot of money away. In a few years your assets will be more than sufficient to fund a comfortable middle class lifestyle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A very eloquent summary of the idea behin Your Money or Your life. Problem is even with frugal living it&#8217;s very difficult to resist the siren call of the middle class. For the average person the best thing they can do is mimic the Millionaire Next Door , that is drive an older car, live in a smaller house, take less expensive vacations and pack alot of money away. In a few years your assets will be more than sufficient to fund a comfortable middle class lifestyle.</p>
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		<title>By: AJC @ 7million7years</title>
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		<dc:creator>AJC @ 7million7years</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 03:25:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My father played 'keeping up with the Upper-Middle-Class-Jones' his whole married life. It was a sham, we were in debt ... almost broke if not for family handouts.

Unfortunately, I had a goal that required me to live an even more Upper-upper-middle-class lifestyle [some would say Upper Class] ...

... the difference is that I didn't START living that lifestyle UNTIL we could afford it. That didn't come until my 40's ... before then, we lived well below our circle of friends (now, well above).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My father played &#8216;keeping up with the Upper-Middle-Class-Jones&#8217; his whole married life. It was a sham, we were in debt &#8230; almost broke if not for family handouts.</p>
<p>Unfortunately, I had a goal that required me to live an even more Upper-upper-middle-class lifestyle [some would say Upper Class] &#8230;</p>
<p>&#8230; the difference is that I didn&#8217;t START living that lifestyle UNTIL we could afford it. That didn&#8217;t come until my 40&#8217;s &#8230; before then, we lived well below our circle of friends (now, well above).</p>
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		<title>By: BPT - MoneyChangesThings</title>
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		<dc:creator>BPT - MoneyChangesThings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 02:59:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My son picked between a union management/research job and a corporate type job.  He makes less money, but he doesn't work as hard and feels like he's making a contribution to the workers' lives and to society.  You can't really measure or quantify the value of feeling like you're doing something meaningful and worthwhile, but it surely has to be figured into the equation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My son picked between a union management/research job and a corporate type job.  He makes less money, but he doesn&#8217;t work as hard and feels like he&#8217;s making a contribution to the workers&#8217; lives and to society.  You can&#8217;t really measure or quantify the value of feeling like you&#8217;re doing something meaningful and worthwhile, but it surely has to be figured into the equation.</p>
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		<title>By: DJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>DJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 01:58:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was reading about the Aztec culture. If a man sold himself into slavery, he was allowed to remain free for one year so he could enjoy the money. To me, that doesn't sound like such a good deal.

It's sort of like selling your freedom to a Mastercard so you can enjoy comforts right now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was reading about the Aztec culture. If a man sold himself into slavery, he was allowed to remain free for one year so he could enjoy the money. To me, that doesn&#8217;t sound like such a good deal.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s sort of like selling your freedom to a Mastercard so you can enjoy comforts right now.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Austin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Austin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 18:16:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Freedom is the only true comfort.  (I'm going to go paint my face blue now.)

The trappings of consumer-class life are more like sexual favors than comforts.

Though I concur with the sentiment, maybe we should be careful about characterizing home ownedership as slavery.  (There is no legal home ownership, only various degrees of home rental.)  Slavery is the boss telling you you have to do it, else you must endure detention, torture or death.  On a W-2, the boss tells you you have to do it, else you must simply forfeit the means to secure unfree comforts.  I believe the more appropriate phrase is voluntarily making oneself beholden to those means.

I'll quote, or at least paraphrase, a man I admire, the American military strategist John Boyd:  "I will not be beholden!" referring to why he would not work for the military-industrial complex upon his retirement from active duty in the United States Air Force in 1975.  Some say that he mistreated his family by refusing to live above the means of an O-6 (Colonel) retirement salary, but I think he did them the greatest service a spouse or parent could ever do:  he led by example, How To Be Free.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Freedom is the only true comfort.  (I&#8217;m going to go paint my face blue now.)</p>
<p>The trappings of consumer-class life are more like sexual favors than comforts.</p>
<p>Though I concur with the sentiment, maybe we should be careful about characterizing home ownedership as slavery.  (There is no legal home ownership, only various degrees of home rental.)  Slavery is the boss telling you you have to do it, else you must endure detention, torture or death.  On a W-2, the boss tells you you have to do it, else you must simply forfeit the means to secure unfree comforts.  I believe the more appropriate phrase is voluntarily making oneself beholden to those means.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll quote, or at least paraphrase, a man I admire, the American military strategist John Boyd:  &#8220;I will not be beholden!&#8221; referring to why he would not work for the military-industrial complex upon his retirement from active duty in the United States Air Force in 1975.  Some say that he mistreated his family by refusing to live above the means of an O-6 (Colonel) retirement salary, but I think he did them the greatest service a spouse or parent could ever do:  he led by example, How To Be Free.</p>
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		<title>By: escapee</title>
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		<dc:creator>escapee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 17:07:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought your wife worked? Is your income still below what constitutes "middle class"?

Are you worried about your investments (you need *some* money to live) when the stock market goes down?

For myself, another reason I see for dropping out of the middle class is as a form of protest over what my tax money is being used to fund. If I'm not making 100k, then the government isn't getting 30k to spend on foolishness.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought your wife worked? Is your income still below what constitutes &#8220;middle class&#8221;?</p>
<p>Are you worried about your investments (you need *some* money to live) when the stock market goes down?</p>
<p>For myself, another reason I see for dropping out of the middle class is as a form of protest over what my tax money is being used to fund. If I&#8217;m not making 100k, then the government isn&#8217;t getting 30k to spend on foolishness.</p>
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