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	<pubDate>Sat, 11 Oct 2008 02:13:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: adfecto</title>
		<link>http://earlyretirementextreme.com/2008/05/the-opportunity-cost-of-early-retirement.html#comment-1183</link>
		<dc:creator>adfecto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 02:46:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the balanced responses.  You all make some good points.  Money isn't the panacea (but it does have its advantages).  :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the balanced responses.  You all make some good points.  Money isn&#8217;t the panacea (but it does have its advantages).  <img src='http://earlyretirementextreme.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Retired Syd</title>
		<link>http://earlyretirementextreme.com/2008/05/the-opportunity-cost-of-early-retirement.html#comment-1180</link>
		<dc:creator>Retired Syd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 May 2008 16:57:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve:  I'm with you on that one!

Has anyone else heard the old saying "the day a man buys a boat is the second most happy day in his life, the first being the day he sells it!"</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve:  I&#8217;m with you on that one!</p>
<p>Has anyone else heard the old saying &#8220;the day a man buys a boat is the second most happy day in his life, the first being the day he sells it!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Austin</title>
		<link>http://earlyretirementextreme.com/2008/05/the-opportunity-cost-of-early-retirement.html#comment-1176</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Austin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 16:33:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A little zinger for adfecto:  I see a greater "lack of creativity" in throwing money at wants, in lieu of time and careful thought.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A little zinger for adfecto:  I see a greater &#8220;lack of creativity&#8221; in throwing money at wants, in lieu of time and careful thought.</p>
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		<title>By: Jacob</title>
		<link>http://earlyretirementextreme.com/2008/05/the-opportunity-cost-of-early-retirement.html#comment-1174</link>
		<dc:creator>Jacob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 00:07:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@adfecto - Most of the things I want to do requires time rather than money. Going back to the sailboat. A million dollar boat is probably close to 50-60 foot. I would be spending all my time maintaining it and fixing the many many things that could break down. Just taking it out for a sail would take several hours of prep time. Also, it would need a crew. Conversely, a 28-35 foot boat could be sailed with 1 or 2 persons. Maintenance would be minimal and it could cross oceans in the time the big boat spends in dock. Also it could set sail and leave dock in ten minutes. 

If flying was my thing (it is, but not that much) I would go for a commercial license or at least become an instructor so I could get paid to fly (google Phillip Greenspun). I wouldn't want to visit every continent (or every country). I would want to live there. Same for the national parks. I don't just want to see them, I want to hike through them. (I'm eyeing a Death Valley bike ride this fall).

BTW I know there's a place where you can drive a race car for about $1000. Personally, 45mph downhill on a bicycle is fast enough for me :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@adfecto - Most of the things I want to do requires time rather than money. Going back to the sailboat. A million dollar boat is probably close to 50-60 foot. I would be spending all my time maintaining it and fixing the many many things that could break down. Just taking it out for a sail would take several hours of prep time. Also, it would need a crew. Conversely, a 28-35 foot boat could be sailed with 1 or 2 persons. Maintenance would be minimal and it could cross oceans in the time the big boat spends in dock. Also it could set sail and leave dock in ten minutes. </p>
<p>If flying was my thing (it is, but not that much) I would go for a commercial license or at least become an instructor so I could get paid to fly (google Phillip Greenspun). I wouldn&#8217;t want to visit every continent (or every country). I would want to live there. Same for the national parks. I don&#8217;t just want to see them, I want to hike through them. (I&#8217;m eyeing a Death Valley bike ride this fall).</p>
<p>BTW I know there&#8217;s a place where you can drive a race car for about $1000. Personally, 45mph downhill on a bicycle is fast enough for me <img src='http://earlyretirementextreme.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Adfecto</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adfecto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 20:25:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can name a hundred things I want to DO in life that will all require money.  Some of them will require LOTS of money.  

Sailing is a great example.  On our honeymoon my wife and I spent a day with a small group on a chartered sailboat.  We loved it and can't wait to repeat the experience in a bigger, better way.  To buy a similar sailboat new it would cost nearly a million dollars.  Even to rent one for a month to take a one-in-a-lifetime trip, it would cost around $10,000.

Aviation is another example.  Flight lessons are $40/hour for instruction plus $100+/hour for fuel and plane rental.  To get my pilots license it will run at least $5,000 and that will open the floodgates to allow me to fly some place new every weekend.  

I also want to drive a race car, visit every continent, see every National Park, etc.  This is how I define living my life to the fullest.  It seems to me that you might be the type who would not seek out these types of adventures to find fulfillment; I get that everyone has their own bliss.  But I don't want to see anyone settle and it strikes me as a lack of creativity when someone says, "there is nothing that they want."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can name a hundred things I want to DO in life that will all require money.  Some of them will require LOTS of money.  </p>
<p>Sailing is a great example.  On our honeymoon my wife and I spent a day with a small group on a chartered sailboat.  We loved it and can&#8217;t wait to repeat the experience in a bigger, better way.  To buy a similar sailboat new it would cost nearly a million dollars.  Even to rent one for a month to take a one-in-a-lifetime trip, it would cost around $10,000.</p>
<p>Aviation is another example.  Flight lessons are $40/hour for instruction plus $100+/hour for fuel and plane rental.  To get my pilots license it will run at least $5,000 and that will open the floodgates to allow me to fly some place new every weekend.  </p>
<p>I also want to drive a race car, visit every continent, see every National Park, etc.  This is how I define living my life to the fullest.  It seems to me that you might be the type who would not seek out these types of adventures to find fulfillment; I get that everyone has their own bliss.  But I don&#8217;t want to see anyone settle and it strikes me as a lack of creativity when someone says, &#8220;there is nothing that they want.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Luca</title>
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		<dc:creator>Luca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 20:39:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"At my current stage there’s just no challenge in paying for things. It’s too easy."

this is a good approach. but there are many things in life that must by obtained by paying. let's say you want to practice the sport of paragliding. the option to design and build you own paraglider...is no option. you must buy one, and it is preferable to buy a new one, not used. your life depends on the quality of the flying equipment so any concession is a direct attack to your safety. 

you may say: "I will find a sponsor who will give me the paraglider". unless you are a known pro in this sport, you will not have any chance to obtain a paraglider in this way...and you are a beginner.

you must be flexible in your approaches...but you already know this :D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;At my current stage there’s just no challenge in paying for things. It’s too easy.&#8221;</p>
<p>this is a good approach. but there are many things in life that must by obtained by paying. let&#8217;s say you want to practice the sport of paragliding. the option to design and build you own paraglider&#8230;is no option. you must buy one, and it is preferable to buy a new one, not used. your life depends on the quality of the flying equipment so any concession is a direct attack to your safety. </p>
<p>you may say: &#8220;I will find a sponsor who will give me the paraglider&#8221;. unless you are a known pro in this sport, you will not have any chance to obtain a paraglider in this way&#8230;and you are a beginner.</p>
<p>you must be flexible in your approaches&#8230;but you already know this <img src='http://earlyretirementextreme.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Luca</title>
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		<dc:creator>Luca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 20:26:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>retirement (when you have enough residual income to sustain your basic cost of living) is a choice based on personal satisfaction derived from your career rather than a financial choice. and the continuing of you career does not mean (in some cases) a desertion of your dreams (a solution can be longer/frequent holidays).

I have the same problem: I must choose to quit (or not to quit)my work when my investments in real estate and the stock market will give me a residual income sufficient to sustain me and my family - and the time is fast approaching :)
I am a dds (doctor in dental surgery) so the decision to quit my job will produce also a change in the social status (no more "Hey, Doctor!"). this loss will add to the other losses of personal satisfactions derived from my line of work. 

so...finally is a personal decision, not a financial one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>retirement (when you have enough residual income to sustain your basic cost of living) is a choice based on personal satisfaction derived from your career rather than a financial choice. and the continuing of you career does not mean (in some cases) a desertion of your dreams (a solution can be longer/frequent holidays).</p>
<p>I have the same problem: I must choose to quit (or not to quit)my work when my investments in real estate and the stock market will give me a residual income sufficient to sustain me and my family - and the time is fast approaching <img src='http://earlyretirementextreme.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
I am a dds (doctor in dental surgery) so the decision to quit my job will produce also a change in the social status (no more &#8220;Hey, Doctor!&#8221;). this loss will add to the other losses of personal satisfactions derived from my line of work. </p>
<p>so&#8230;finally is a personal decision, not a financial one.</p>
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		<title>By: m-</title>
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		<dc:creator>m-</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 18:22:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you learn to stop the what-if monster please let me know...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you learn to stop the what-if monster please let me know&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Jacob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jacob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 04:52:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@steve - I've only had a few really original ideas in my life (like 3 of them) and none of them are on this site. Usually "new" ideas come by synthesis and cross-specialization (generalization). I can't say for sure whether I read the thing about the weeds in an ecology book and connected the dots myself or saw it in some other book. It basically boils down to a nonlinear model of negative feedback. Such are everywhere. Ecology, sociology, the market. I'd check out the writings of Diamond, Kunstler, or Quinn. They have an ecological background and comment on suburbia, so ... 

@adfecto - Conversely, there are very few things that I want (that I can think of) that I can't buy outright, so by your definition I'm already wealthy, right. I've found that it's often more satisfactory to get what I want without paying for it either by trading, bartering, improvising, or making it myself. At my current stage there's just no challenge in paying for things. It's too easy. If I didn't restrain myself I could just buy everything, and then what?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@steve - I&#8217;ve only had a few really original ideas in my life (like 3 of them) and none of them are on this site. Usually &#8220;new&#8221; ideas come by synthesis and cross-specialization (generalization). I can&#8217;t say for sure whether I read the thing about the weeds in an ecology book and connected the dots myself or saw it in some other book. It basically boils down to a nonlinear model of negative feedback. Such are everywhere. Ecology, sociology, the market. I&#8217;d check out the writings of Diamond, Kunstler, or Quinn. They have an ecological background and comment on suburbia, so &#8230; </p>
<p>@adfecto - Conversely, there are very few things that I want (that I can think of) that I can&#8217;t buy outright, so by your definition I&#8217;m already wealthy, right. I&#8217;ve found that it&#8217;s often more satisfactory to get what I want without paying for it either by trading, bartering, improvising, or making it myself. At my current stage there&#8217;s just no challenge in paying for things. It&#8217;s too easy. If I didn&#8217;t restrain myself I could just buy everything, and then what?</p>
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		<title>By: Adfecto</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adfecto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2008 21:04:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can't say I understand what the text of your post ultimately had to do with its title, early retirement opportunity costs.  I guess you lament the loss of career development?  That seems to be the only real negative you present to early retirement.

The obvious opportunity cost of early retirement  is loss of wealth creation and the things or experiences which wealth facilitates!  There are many many things I want to do in my life that can ONLY be achieved if I have a significant capital base to fund my life.

I will work until I'm a senior citizen but lead a balanced life the whole time.  Work to live and not live to work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t say I understand what the text of your post ultimately had to do with its title, early retirement opportunity costs.  I guess you lament the loss of career development?  That seems to be the only real negative you present to early retirement.</p>
<p>The obvious opportunity cost of early retirement  is loss of wealth creation and the things or experiences which wealth facilitates!  There are many many things I want to do in my life that can ONLY be achieved if I have a significant capital base to fund my life.</p>
<p>I will work until I&#8217;m a senior citizen but lead a balanced life the whole time.  Work to live and not live to work.</p>
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