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		<title>By: Colon Cleanse Geek</title>
		<link>http://earlyretirementextreme.com/2008/07/early-retirement-extremes-budget.html/comment-page-1#comment-1502</link>
		<dc:creator>Colon Cleanse Geek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jul 2008 23:35:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great site, thanks for sharing.  We are also frugal and have changed our savings in so many ways it has become a hobby:-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great site, thanks for sharing.  We are also frugal and have changed our savings in so many ways it has become a hobby:-)</p>
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		<title>By: Debbie M</title>
		<link>http://earlyretirementextreme.com/2008/07/early-retirement-extremes-budget.html/comment-page-1#comment-1478</link>
		<dc:creator>Debbie M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 14:53:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>More juicy details!  Thanks!

I never thought of clothing for presents.  I have certain family-like friends who insist on buying me presents, never know what to get, and like being able to have a list of things I would like.  I am going to put clothing on that list.

Y'all are awesome with the utilities compared to me:
* keeping the thermostat at 55F in the winter and 80/72F in the summer - We keep ours at 65F in winter and 75 in summer
* heat with wood we get for free - We heat with natural gas and do not have a wood stove or fireplace.
* wash two full loads a week; never use the dryer - We wash six(!) full loads a week and never use the dryer
* gas stove; bulk cooking - same here
* turn off unused lights, TV, but still have ghost loads - same here
* CFLs in most fixtures - same here

I'm probably not going to adopt any of your improvements to my current practices except that I have been trying re-wearing certain clothes more often.

It makes sense that you don't use a budget; you don't need to because your expenditures are so much lower than your earnings.  For people living paycheck to paycheck, or nearly so, a budget can be a big help in avoiding bounced check fees and in making sure enough money gets saved.  Those folks need to include irregular expenses in their budget.

Larger and larger chunks of my budget are going toward irregular expenditures and I love knowing that these things are all budgeted for and taken care of: car maintenance and repairs; house maintenance; next car fund; expensive fun things like trips, electronics, and furniture; insurance; medical expenses (I don't have many but realized that I should save in case something big comes up); and house renovation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More juicy details!  Thanks!</p>
<p>I never thought of clothing for presents.  I have certain family-like friends who insist on buying me presents, never know what to get, and like being able to have a list of things I would like.  I am going to put clothing on that list.</p>
<p>Y&#8217;all are awesome with the utilities compared to me:<br />
* keeping the thermostat at 55F in the winter and 80/72F in the summer - We keep ours at 65F in winter and 75 in summer<br />
* heat with wood we get for free - We heat with natural gas and do not have a wood stove or fireplace.<br />
* wash two full loads a week; never use the dryer - We wash six(!) full loads a week and never use the dryer<br />
* gas stove; bulk cooking - same here<br />
* turn off unused lights, TV, but still have ghost loads - same here<br />
* CFLs in most fixtures - same here</p>
<p>I&#8217;m probably not going to adopt any of your improvements to my current practices except that I have been trying re-wearing certain clothes more often.</p>
<p>It makes sense that you don&#8217;t use a budget; you don&#8217;t need to because your expenditures are so much lower than your earnings.  For people living paycheck to paycheck, or nearly so, a budget can be a big help in avoiding bounced check fees and in making sure enough money gets saved.  Those folks need to include irregular expenses in their budget.</p>
<p>Larger and larger chunks of my budget are going toward irregular expenditures and I love knowing that these things are all budgeted for and taken care of: car maintenance and repairs; house maintenance; next car fund; expensive fun things like trips, electronics, and furniture; insurance; medical expenses (I don&#8217;t have many but realized that I should save in case something big comes up); and house renovation.</p>
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		<title>By: Shane</title>
		<link>http://earlyretirementextreme.com/2008/07/early-retirement-extremes-budget.html/comment-page-1#comment-1476</link>
		<dc:creator>Shane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 01:28:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good to see you respond to all of our comments! The 12% makes more sense now that I know you are investing in tax sheltered ways. I thought in the way you write about investments that you were keeping everything outside of places like that in order to provide income far before you were ready to retire. 

Keep posting, yours is quickly becoming one of my favorite blogs to read each day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good to see you respond to all of our comments! The 12% makes more sense now that I know you are investing in tax sheltered ways. I thought in the way you write about investments that you were keeping everything outside of places like that in order to provide income far before you were ready to retire. </p>
<p>Keep posting, yours is quickly becoming one of my favorite blogs to read each day.</p>
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		<title>By: Jacob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jacob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 00:27:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@all - 

Clothes is mostly acquired through xmas and birthday presents. I'm finally beginning to understand why my parents appreciated getting socks for xmas. I do not have a job that requires dry cleaned clothes.

Utilities (electricity, gas, water) are done by keeping the thermostat at 55F in the winter and 80F in the summer (except bedtime when I put it down to 72F) using fans instead of AC. In the winter we heat with wood, we get for free on craigslist. We wash two full loads a week. We never use the dryer. We have a gas stove and generally cook for several days and use the microwave to reheat. We turn the light off when we leave a room. We also turn the TV off when we are not watching it. We still have ghost loads e.g. DVR box and various adapters (and the fridge which I'd like to turn off). We have CFLs in most fixtures. 

We have one compact car that it essentially driving(rolling?) 40mph for DW's commute for 20 miles. I commute by bike. We're actually looking into moving closer to her work. That way she can do a 3 mile commute by bike. My bike commute would then turn into a 40 mile round trip, but I like to believe I'm tough :-P Perhaps, DW willing, we could lose the car altogether.

There has been some surprises. Mostly of the stupid kind - the dog eating xylotol chewing gum or uncooked beans going through the garbage grinder and then clogging up the drains. These are paid out of savings. I consider them extraordinary expenses. Nothing is allocated for extraordinary expenses. If something comes up I'll just sell 100 shares of something (or more accurately put less into the broker account/funds). The budget only shows items we see every month. 

Hockey expenses (which are much lower than when I began and didn't know how to get things on the cheap -- I used to pay $7/per game, now I pay a one time fee of $100/year + 3x$100 for the leagues) are generally paid quarterly. If I spread them out, I'm probably down to $40-50/month.

In fact I do not maintain a budget. I had to ask DW for the details and then add them up. Differencing with income matches the money I see on the investment side.

I am NOT in the 12% tax bracket. Probably more like the 25%. However, this is the marginal tax rate or what is paid on the LAST dollar earned. 12% is what you get when you take all taxes and divide by gross income. (Consider a funded 401k, and two funded IRAs - it actually brings down taxable income by quite a bit - then there's the fact that capital gains and qualified dividends are only taxed by 15%).

Most food is bought in serious bulk. We mostly shop for staples at the local Aldi equivalent. Fruit/vegetables are best acquired as loss leaders eating what's on sale. 

Rent is the biggest eyesore. Our house is too big for our needs with parts of it unused. We're currently looking for 1bd/1bath in the sub-$1000 range, concurrently with the RV plan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@all - </p>
<p>Clothes is mostly acquired through xmas and birthday presents. I&#8217;m finally beginning to understand why my parents appreciated getting socks for xmas. I do not have a job that requires dry cleaned clothes.</p>
<p>Utilities (electricity, gas, water) are done by keeping the thermostat at 55F in the winter and 80F in the summer (except bedtime when I put it down to 72F) using fans instead of AC. In the winter we heat with wood, we get for free on craigslist. We wash two full loads a week. We never use the dryer. We have a gas stove and generally cook for several days and use the microwave to reheat. We turn the light off when we leave a room. We also turn the TV off when we are not watching it. We still have ghost loads e.g. DVR box and various adapters (and the fridge which I&#8217;d like to turn off). We have CFLs in most fixtures. </p>
<p>We have one compact car that it essentially driving(rolling?) 40mph for DW&#8217;s commute for 20 miles. I commute by bike. We&#8217;re actually looking into moving closer to her work. That way she can do a 3 mile commute by bike. My bike commute would then turn into a 40 mile round trip, but I like to believe I&#8217;m tough <img src='http://earlyretirementextreme.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':-P' class='wp-smiley' /> Perhaps, DW willing, we could lose the car altogether.</p>
<p>There has been some surprises. Mostly of the stupid kind - the dog eating xylotol chewing gum or uncooked beans going through the garbage grinder and then clogging up the drains. These are paid out of savings. I consider them extraordinary expenses. Nothing is allocated for extraordinary expenses. If something comes up I&#8217;ll just sell 100 shares of something (or more accurately put less into the broker account/funds). The budget only shows items we see every month. </p>
<p>Hockey expenses (which are much lower than when I began and didn&#8217;t know how to get things on the cheap &#8212; I used to pay $7/per game, now I pay a one time fee of $100/year + 3x$100 for the leagues) are generally paid quarterly. If I spread them out, I&#8217;m probably down to $40-50/month.</p>
<p>In fact I do not maintain a budget. I had to ask DW for the details and then add them up. Differencing with income matches the money I see on the investment side.</p>
<p>I am NOT in the 12% tax bracket. Probably more like the 25%. However, this is the marginal tax rate or what is paid on the LAST dollar earned. 12% is what you get when you take all taxes and divide by gross income. (Consider a funded 401k, and two funded IRAs - it actually brings down taxable income by quite a bit - then there&#8217;s the fact that capital gains and qualified dividends are only taxed by 15%).</p>
<p>Most food is bought in serious bulk. We mostly shop for staples at the local Aldi equivalent. Fruit/vegetables are best acquired as loss leaders eating what&#8217;s on sale. </p>
<p>Rent is the biggest eyesore. Our house is too big for our needs with parts of it unused. We&#8217;re currently looking for 1bd/1bath in the sub-$1000 range, concurrently with the RV plan.</p>
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		<title>By: Seth Miller</title>
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		<dc:creator>Seth Miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 19:55:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>what about your hockey expenses??</description>
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		<title>By: Boston</title>
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		<dc:creator>Boston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 16:43:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just stumbled across your blog and all I can say is WOW.  I thought I was doing pretty good with my monthly budget, but yours blows mine out of the water.  If you are really able to keep those budgeted numbers each month that is amazing.  I am wondering how you keep your gas bill so low?  If both yourself and your wife work I am assuming you've got to get there somehow and I don't see any bus pass on that budget.  Do you both work from home?  $75 would almost fill my car up once.  Nice work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just stumbled across your blog and all I can say is WOW.  I thought I was doing pretty good with my monthly budget, but yours blows mine out of the water.  If you are really able to keep those budgeted numbers each month that is amazing.  I am wondering how you keep your gas bill so low?  If both yourself and your wife work I am assuming you&#8217;ve got to get there somehow and I don&#8217;t see any bus pass on that budget.  Do you both work from home?  $75 would almost fill my car up once.  Nice work.</p>
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		<title>By: mjukr</title>
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		<dc:creator>mjukr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 16:20:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How do you manage 12% tax bracket?

Do you not allocate $x each month for future expenses, or just plan to "borrow" from your portfolio in that event?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How do you manage 12% tax bracket?</p>
<p>Do you not allocate $x each month for future expenses, or just plan to &#8220;borrow&#8221; from your portfolio in that event?</p>
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		<title>By: mjukr</title>
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		<dc:creator>mjukr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 15:57:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ack! We spend $140/month just on fruits/vegetables...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ack! We spend $140/month just on fruits/vegetables&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: shoyu</title>
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		<dc:creator>shoyu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 04:36:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a cable modem with Road Runner Lite. It's $15 a month less than regular Road Runner. I don't have cable TV. I can watch online movies late at night (from China) without delays. 

I bet no one got your deviation joke.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a cable modem with Road Runner Lite. It&#8217;s $15 a month less than regular Road Runner. I don&#8217;t have cable TV. I can watch online movies late at night (from China) without delays. </p>
<p>I bet no one got your deviation joke.</p>
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		<title>By: FHR</title>
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		<dc:creator>FHR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 22:48:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I spend about twice what you do, but I also make more than twice what you do.  In essence, we "save" roughly the same amount but your percentage is higher.  Oh well, I like to think I live a pretty comfortable life and I never ever feel deprived.  I know I could do better but I'm weak.  :)

The main differences between our budgets:  Food (I spend WAY more).  Travel (I travel 3-4 times a year to foreign countries).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I spend about twice what you do, but I also make more than twice what you do.  In essence, we &#8220;save&#8221; roughly the same amount but your percentage is higher.  Oh well, I like to think I live a pretty comfortable life and I never ever feel deprived.  I know I could do better but I&#8217;m weak.  <img src='http://earlyretirementextreme.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>The main differences between our budgets:  Food (I spend WAY more).  Travel (I travel 3-4 times a year to foreign countries).</p>
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