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		<title>By: krantcents</title>
		<link>http://earlyretirementextreme.com/are-you-asset-less.html/comment-page-1#comment-21823</link>
		<dc:creator>krantcents</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Apr 2011 18:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sometimes you need debt to acquire these assets!  The equity you have in the assets should be growing because of the increase in value and reduction in debt.  In other words it is both paying down debt and acquiring assets.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sometimes you need debt to acquire these assets!  The equity you have in the assets should be growing because of the increase in value and reduction in debt.  In other words it is both paying down debt and acquiring assets.</p>
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		<title>By: George</title>
		<link>http://earlyretirementextreme.com/are-you-asset-less.html/comment-page-1#comment-11277</link>
		<dc:creator>George</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 May 2010 01:23:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@mingus - One more consideration is how far into your current mortgage you are.  For instance, if you&#039;re 22 years into a 30 year mortgage, then the amount of interest you would save by paying it off early is negligible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@mingus &#8211; One more consideration is how far into your current mortgage you are.  For instance, if you&#8217;re 22 years into a 30 year mortgage, then the amount of interest you would save by paying it off early is negligible.</p>
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		<title>By: George</title>
		<link>http://earlyretirementextreme.com/are-you-asset-less.html/comment-page-1#comment-11276</link>
		<dc:creator>George</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 May 2010 00:49:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@mingus - 5% is sort of the dividing line, IMHO, for paying off the mortgage early.  I&#039;d go with Jacob&#039;s answer with one provisio: make sure you have more than 6 months of expenses in liquid form before directing any monies toward early repayment.  Also, early repayment vs. investing should not be an either/or question; you can do both.

Historically, mortgage rates are at historical lows and average rates were about 6%, so in that context, a 5% mortgage is good (assuming it&#039;s a fixed rate or, at the least, won&#039;t adjust in less than 5 years).

The ultimate answer in your case is tied to how comfortable you are with risk...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@mingus &#8211; 5% is sort of the dividing line, IMHO, for paying off the mortgage early.  I&#8217;d go with Jacob&#8217;s answer with one provisio: make sure you have more than 6 months of expenses in liquid form before directing any monies toward early repayment.  Also, early repayment vs. investing should not be an either/or question; you can do both.</p>
<p>Historically, mortgage rates are at historical lows and average rates were about 6%, so in that context, a 5% mortgage is good (assuming it&#8217;s a fixed rate or, at the least, won&#8217;t adjust in less than 5 years).</p>
<p>The ultimate answer in your case is tied to how comfortable you are with risk&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Jacob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jacob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 May 2010 23:29:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@mingus - I&#039;d pay the mortgage off. While you can get a yield that exceeds 5%, the (equity) principal is at risk at current evaluations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@mingus &#8211; I&#8217;d pay the mortgage off. While you can get a yield that exceeds 5%, the (equity) principal is at risk at current evaluations.</p>
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		<title>By: mingus</title>
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		<dc:creator>mingus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 May 2010 23:27:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Question to anyone out there...Should I use my money to pay off the mortgage now or keep the mortgage and invest the money in dividend producing stocks? (Mortgage rate at 5%)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Question to anyone out there&#8230;Should I use my money to pay off the mortgage now or keep the mortgage and invest the money in dividend producing stocks? (Mortgage rate at 5%)</p>
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		<title>By: Oasis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Oasis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 May 2010 17:54:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmmm  I have been debt free since 1998 and am still chubby.  But what is helping has been to adopt a more &quot;frugal&quot; approach to food that I started after first reading this blog.  Avoiding all fast food and expensive packaged food , cooking slow food from scratch has dropped ten lbs off me...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmm  I have been debt free since 1998 and am still chubby.  But what is helping has been to adopt a more &#8220;frugal&#8221; approach to food that I started after first reading this blog.  Avoiding all fast food and expensive packaged food , cooking slow food from scratch has dropped ten lbs off me&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: The Rich Always Get Richer In A Capitalist Society &#124; 20s Money</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Rich Always Get Richer In A Capitalist Society &#124; 20s Money</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 13:36:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] debtors in a capitalistic society are unable to build wealth.  As Jacob at ERE explained in this great post, getting out of debt merely gets you back to ground zero, to the starting line.  I&#8217;m not [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] debtors in a capitalistic society are unable to build wealth.  As Jacob at ERE explained in this great post, getting out of debt merely gets you back to ground zero, to the starting line.  I&#8217;m not [...]</p>
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		<title>By: TheLucster</title>
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		<dc:creator>TheLucster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jan 2010 14:16:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmm, a thought just occurred to me:

In an ideal situation, you don&#039;t need to work, you have no debts, and have assets that can cover your living costs. This is relatively easy to achieve, however most people do not strive for this - or at least want to take the easiest route.

As an example, if I had stayed at my parents after finishing school at 16 and getting a full-time (dead-end) job in a supermarket or such (I guess through educating myself or internships I could have got a better job), I could easily earn £12k/yr after tax. By now (I&#039;m 21), assuming I spent little and my parents didn&#039;t charge me rent, I would have at least £50k cash. I could easily buy a house for this: http://is.gd/6S6Vz (I love the boarded up windows :P, a better example is probably this: http://is.gd/6S775). You could then work part time and easily pay off bills and what have you, and have nothing but free time to do as you wish.

So the question is why do more people not do this? I took the typical route, I went to university, I now have ~£18k in debt (UK student loans are rather good, as such I don&#039;t really consider it debt). I was working part time throughout the whole thing, so unlike some people I don&#039;t have bank overdrafts, I am around £2k in the black. I have a good job paying a typical graduate wage, however as I live in London my living costs are rather extortionate (about £800/mo) - that doesn&#039;t even include going to the pub and getting lunch out, so tack on another couple of hundred per month, and that means I&#039;m spending about £1k/mo just to live. If from my wage I say I can save £500/mo (yeah right - I&#039;m a sucker for gadgets), we can make some comparisons.

If I didn&#039;t go to uni I would have:
- A house (An asset of ~£30k)
- At least £20k in cash
- Living costs of ~£2k/yr (food + bills)
So from this I could potentially live for 10 years without working a day.

Going to uni I have:
- A degree
- £2k in cash
- A job leading to savings of ~£6k/yr
Lets also not forget working for &#039;the man&#039;.

So which is better?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm, a thought just occurred to me:</p>
<p>In an ideal situation, you don&#8217;t need to work, you have no debts, and have assets that can cover your living costs. This is relatively easy to achieve, however most people do not strive for this &#8211; or at least want to take the easiest route.</p>
<p>As an example, if I had stayed at my parents after finishing school at 16 and getting a full-time (dead-end) job in a supermarket or such (I guess through educating myself or internships I could have got a better job), I could easily earn £12k/yr after tax. By now (I&#8217;m 21), assuming I spent little and my parents didn&#8217;t charge me rent, I would have at least £50k cash. I could easily buy a house for this: <a href="http://is.gd/6S6Vz" rel="nofollow">http://is.gd/6S6Vz</a> (I love the boarded up windows <img src='http://earlyretirementextreme.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /> , a better example is probably this: <a href="http://is.gd/6S775" rel="nofollow">http://is.gd/6S775</a>). You could then work part time and easily pay off bills and what have you, and have nothing but free time to do as you wish.</p>
<p>So the question is why do more people not do this? I took the typical route, I went to university, I now have ~£18k in debt (UK student loans are rather good, as such I don&#8217;t really consider it debt). I was working part time throughout the whole thing, so unlike some people I don&#8217;t have bank overdrafts, I am around £2k in the black. I have a good job paying a typical graduate wage, however as I live in London my living costs are rather extortionate (about £800/mo) &#8211; that doesn&#8217;t even include going to the pub and getting lunch out, so tack on another couple of hundred per month, and that means I&#8217;m spending about £1k/mo just to live. If from my wage I say I can save £500/mo (yeah right &#8211; I&#8217;m a sucker for gadgets), we can make some comparisons.</p>
<p>If I didn&#8217;t go to uni I would have:<br />
- A house (An asset of ~£30k)<br />
- At least £20k in cash<br />
- Living costs of ~£2k/yr (food + bills)<br />
So from this I could potentially live for 10 years without working a day.</p>
<p>Going to uni I have:<br />
- A degree<br />
- £2k in cash<br />
- A job leading to savings of ~£6k/yr<br />
Lets also not forget working for &#8216;the man&#8217;.</p>
<p>So which is better?</p>
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		<title>By: Denis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Denis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jan 2010 03:21:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now that I am finally getting out of debt (in about two to three weeks from now), a certain realization about money dawned on me with a clarity unseen before. 

Money either works for you or against you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now that I am finally getting out of debt (in about two to three weeks from now), a certain realization about money dawned on me with a clarity unseen before. </p>
<p>Money either works for you or against you.</p>
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		<title>By: racasper</title>
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		<dc:creator>racasper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jan 2010 23:51:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;&gt;Not everyone wants to live in a damn RV and be a grumpy, childless old man.

I do !!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;&gt;Not everyone wants to live in a damn RV and be a grumpy, childless old man.</p>
<p>I do !!!</p>
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		<title>By: Jacob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jacob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jan 2010 23:51:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Using debt to buy assets is using leverage. It is correct that paying off that debt is not fighting one&#039;s way back to the starting line. I was thinking in terms of net worth or equity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Using debt to buy assets is using leverage. It is correct that paying off that debt is not fighting one&#8217;s way back to the starting line. I was thinking in terms of net worth or equity.</p>
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		<title>By: Executioner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Executioner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jan 2010 23:44:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Echoing what deegee said, I think it&#039;s possible to acquire assets and debts simultaneously.  By paying off the debts (and becoming debt-free) you are not simply &quot;back to the starting line.&quot;  You are rid of your debt and left with an asset.

(Mortgage + house) - mortgage = house

(Business loan + business) - business loan = business

(Student loan + completed coursework) - student loan = degree, certification, license, etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Echoing what deegee said, I think it&#8217;s possible to acquire assets and debts simultaneously.  By paying off the debts (and becoming debt-free) you are not simply &#8220;back to the starting line.&#8221;  You are rid of your debt and left with an asset.</p>
<p>(Mortgage + house) &#8211; mortgage = house</p>
<p>(Business loan + business) &#8211; business loan = business</p>
<p>(Student loan + completed coursework) &#8211; student loan = degree, certification, license, etc.</p>
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		<title>By: George</title>
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		<dc:creator>George</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jan 2010 22:23:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think describing someone as self-satisfied and grumpy is an oxymoron...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think describing someone as self-satisfied and grumpy is an oxymoron&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Blah Blah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Blah Blah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jan 2010 22:11:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jacob, you are beginning to sound smug, self satisfied and pious. Not everyone wants to live in a damn RV and be a grumpy, childless old man.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jacob, you are beginning to sound smug, self satisfied and pious. Not everyone wants to live in a damn RV and be a grumpy, childless old man.</p>
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		<title>By: Pete</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pete</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jan 2010 17:26:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>since i&#039;m part meathead, i always enjoy your fitness and financial similes.  keep on keepin&#039; on!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>since i&#8217;m part meathead, i always enjoy your fitness and financial similes.  keep on keepin&#8217; on!</p>
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		<title>By: Debbie M</title>
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		<dc:creator>Debbie M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jan 2010 15:29:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmm, &quot;production factors.&quot;

That means you&#039;re not just talking about my house, stocks, and bonds.

You&#039;re also talking about my cookware, sewing needles, and other tools that help me keep my expenses down.  Also, my cookbooks and other reference sources.  Maybe also some of my skills and knowledge.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm, &#8220;production factors.&#8221;</p>
<p>That means you&#8217;re not just talking about my house, stocks, and bonds.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re also talking about my cookware, sewing needles, and other tools that help me keep my expenses down.  Also, my cookbooks and other reference sources.  Maybe also some of my skills and knowledge.</p>
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		<title>By: 20smoney</title>
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		<dc:creator>20smoney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jan 2010 14:03:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>you hit the nail on the head on this one!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you hit the nail on the head on this one!</p>
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		<title>By: MoneyEnergy</title>
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		<dc:creator>MoneyEnergy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jan 2010 08:59:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with the fat-debt connection - probably has the same psychological foundation, so that&#039;s what you really need to attack.

Thought you&#039;d like this site (and your readers, too): http://mikeruppert.blogspot.com/

Great info and links to current intelligence, environment and economic news.  Also, see his book and the film based on it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with the fat-debt connection &#8211; probably has the same psychological foundation, so that&#8217;s what you really need to attack.</p>
<p>Thought you&#8217;d like this site (and your readers, too): <a href="http://mikeruppert.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">http://mikeruppert.blogspot.com/</a></p>
<p>Great info and links to current intelligence, environment and economic news.  Also, see his book and the film based on it.</p>
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		<title>By: simple in France</title>
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		<dc:creator>simple in France</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jan 2010 08:08:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Our biggest problem is figuring out what the heck to do with our assets as we build them (or just try to keep them from backsliding).  Hard times, I say. 

And can I just say, I envy people who are naturally interested in investing etc.  Whenever you have a passion for something, things tend to work out better than if you&#039;re just doing it as a means to an end--as I am.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Our biggest problem is figuring out what the heck to do with our assets as we build them (or just try to keep them from backsliding).  Hard times, I say. </p>
<p>And can I just say, I envy people who are naturally interested in investing etc.  Whenever you have a passion for something, things tend to work out better than if you&#8217;re just doing it as a means to an end&#8211;as I am.</p>
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		<title>By: Briggs</title>
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		<dc:creator>Briggs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jan 2010 07:18:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think this narrows it down: 

&quot;Money is in some respects like fire; it is a very excellent servant but a terrible master&quot;
PT Barnum

debt = money is your master
no debt, no assets = no master, no servant
assets = money is your servant</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think this narrows it down: </p>
<p>&#8220;Money is in some respects like fire; it is a very excellent servant but a terrible master&#8221;<br />
PT Barnum</p>
<p>debt = money is your master<br />
no debt, no assets = no master, no servant<br />
assets = money is your servant</p>
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