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		<title>By: Political Truth</title>
		<link>http://earlyretirementextreme.com/are-you-suffering-from-careerism.html/comment-page-1#comment-27131</link>
		<dc:creator>Political Truth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Oct 2011 05:39:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To be honest, more than 70% americans right now are facing careerism.</description>
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		<title>By: Why I Really retired from Corporate Work &#124; Mr. Money Mustache</title>
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		<dc:creator>Why I Really retired from Corporate Work &#124; Mr. Money Mustache</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jun 2011 14:40:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Are you Suffering from Careerism, at Early Retirement Extreme. Here the author points out that at some point in your career, your advancement or survival may start to depend on politics rather than performance. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Roundup: Strange Money Occurrences</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roundup: Strange Money Occurrences</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 May 2011 17:25:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Are you suffering from from careerism?: Jacob at Early Retirement Extreme takes a look at the idea of letting your career define you. Are you letting your job be who you are, and defining your self-worth by your career? [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Jacob</title>
		<link>http://earlyretirementextreme.com/are-you-suffering-from-careerism.html/comment-page-1#comment-22311</link>
		<dc:creator>Jacob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 May 2011 16:07:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Mark  - The Peter Principle seems to be at work across careers. If skill A is required to reach level 1 and skill B is required to reach level 2, then a promotion requires someone to just have enough A to get to level 1. Now, two people, X and Y, can have very different levels  of competence at A because as long as they&#039;re both good enough, it all comes down to their competence at B. Thus a CEO may be selected in his career path as someone who&#039;s just good enough to get a college degree, just a good enough engineer, but excellent at networking. Overall, this is a rational selection process. Managers don&#039;t necessarily have to be that technically proficient but they do need to know how to play the game. If playing office politics and managing which suit to wear and what to say during lunch is what management is really about---I wouldn&#039;t know---I do agree.

However, I also think that there is an economic loss from the time spent doing impression management. It&#039;s not a question of someone being more competent at impressions than others. It&#039;s really a question of someone taking time off from being productive and instead spending it on maintaining a good impression. Resources that could have gone to work are going to &quot;office politics/advertising&quot; but they aren&#039;t because no good system for separating the wheat from the chaff exists.

The same problem exists for ordinary products. Well-advertised products that are good-enough sell more than products which are great but not advertised. This happens when the chain that is responsible for bringing the product from the producer to the consumer fails to do its job.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Mark  &#8211; The Peter Principle seems to be at work across careers. If skill A is required to reach level 1 and skill B is required to reach level 2, then a promotion requires someone to just have enough A to get to level 1. Now, two people, X and Y, can have very different levels  of competence at A because as long as they&#8217;re both good enough, it all comes down to their competence at B. Thus a CEO may be selected in his career path as someone who&#8217;s just good enough to get a college degree, just a good enough engineer, but excellent at networking. Overall, this is a rational selection process. Managers don&#8217;t necessarily have to be that technically proficient but they do need to know how to play the game. If playing office politics and managing which suit to wear and what to say during lunch is what management is really about&#8212;I wouldn&#8217;t know&#8212;I do agree.</p>
<p>However, I also think that there is an economic loss from the time spent doing impression management. It&#8217;s not a question of someone being more competent at impressions than others. It&#8217;s really a question of someone taking time off from being productive and instead spending it on maintaining a good impression. Resources that could have gone to work are going to &#8220;office politics/advertising&#8221; but they aren&#8217;t because no good system for separating the wheat from the chaff exists.</p>
<p>The same problem exists for ordinary products. Well-advertised products that are good-enough sell more than products which are great but not advertised. This happens when the chain that is responsible for bringing the product from the producer to the consumer fails to do its job.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://earlyretirementextreme.com/are-you-suffering-from-careerism.html/comment-page-1#comment-22309</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 May 2011 15:19:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Having reached this point myself, I think one has to assess (re-assess?) your own priorities and needs.  

One has to realize that the definition of competence is not only the raw skill.   The ability to fake it to management and do cool Powerpoint is a skill too.  And unfortunate or not, that skill is what gets promoted. 

If you lack that skill, or are not as good at it as others, you may not be promoted, but you can&#039;t go around complaining that you are &quot;better&quot; than those that do have it.  You are NOT better - you lack a critical skill.

If you have strived for the top and not reached it, you can become cynical about what it takes to reach it.  It is difficult to see less competent people rising and perhaps becoming your manager.

But you may also realize that there is some specific work that you WANT to do, and that the hierarchy is not important to you anymore.  I think many people say this but do not mean it, and they become bitter.  It is often evident in the way they talk about those that HAVE made it.  Psychological survival requires that they maintain the fiction that they are &quot;better&quot; people for not playing the game.
 
For me, the only way out of this is to stop thinking of it as a competition with those other people, because you have LOST that race.  You have to instead think of your own life and priorities:
1.  Do I enjoy my work?
2.  Am I adequately rewarded for my work?
3.  What would I rather be doing?
etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having reached this point myself, I think one has to assess (re-assess?) your own priorities and needs.  </p>
<p>One has to realize that the definition of competence is not only the raw skill.   The ability to fake it to management and do cool Powerpoint is a skill too.  And unfortunate or not, that skill is what gets promoted. </p>
<p>If you lack that skill, or are not as good at it as others, you may not be promoted, but you can&#8217;t go around complaining that you are &#8220;better&#8221; than those that do have it.  You are NOT better &#8211; you lack a critical skill.</p>
<p>If you have strived for the top and not reached it, you can become cynical about what it takes to reach it.  It is difficult to see less competent people rising and perhaps becoming your manager.</p>
<p>But you may also realize that there is some specific work that you WANT to do, and that the hierarchy is not important to you anymore.  I think many people say this but do not mean it, and they become bitter.  It is often evident in the way they talk about those that HAVE made it.  Psychological survival requires that they maintain the fiction that they are &#8220;better&#8221; people for not playing the game.</p>
<p>For me, the only way out of this is to stop thinking of it as a competition with those other people, because you have LOST that race.  You have to instead think of your own life and priorities:<br />
1.  Do I enjoy my work?<br />
2.  Am I adequately rewarded for my work?<br />
3.  What would I rather be doing?<br />
etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Miss Moneypenniless</title>
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		<dc:creator>Miss Moneypenniless</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 May 2011 13:26:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very interesting indeed. Whilst this sounds very morbid I once met someone who made me thoroughly question careerist aims and goals. He asked me how would I want to be remembered after I died? Personally, I&#039;d far rather be remembered as a great friend, girlfriend, fun, generous, engaging person etc than as the CEO of Corporation X. As this guy made me realise, it&#039;s so important to stay true to your core values and humanity to avoid losing yourself in blind careerism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very interesting indeed. Whilst this sounds very morbid I once met someone who made me thoroughly question careerist aims and goals. He asked me how would I want to be remembered after I died? Personally, I&#8217;d far rather be remembered as a great friend, girlfriend, fun, generous, engaging person etc than as the CEO of Corporation X. As this guy made me realise, it&#8217;s so important to stay true to your core values and humanity to avoid losing yourself in blind careerism.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 May 2011 20:28:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The rules have changed.  Someone can willingly choose a careerism track, or venture out on their own, which is one great facet of the free market.  Companies now must compete much harder for talent.  Previously autonomous professionals can, and arguably should, share their accomplishments on the web.  The quality of a body of work will sell itself, regardless of which direction a person chooses.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The rules have changed.  Someone can willingly choose a careerism track, or venture out on their own, which is one great facet of the free market.  Companies now must compete much harder for talent.  Previously autonomous professionals can, and arguably should, share their accomplishments on the web.  The quality of a body of work will sell itself, regardless of which direction a person chooses.</p>
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		<title>By: The Best of The Yakezie Challenge &#124; The Saved Quarter</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Best of The Yakezie Challenge &#124; The Saved Quarter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jul 2010 06:24:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Early Retirement Extreme - Are You Suffering from Careerism? Eliminate the Muda  EndingTheRatRace Engineer Your Finances &#8211; Convenience Tax: You&#8217;re Only Charging Yourself Eventual Millionaire - How I Paid Off Over $70,000 in Debt and Quit My Job [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Work &#8211; 21st century style &#171; Two by 4</title>
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		<dc:creator>Work &#8211; 21st century style &#171; Two by 4</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jul 2010 19:44:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] *(Most likely that job could be done in fewer hours anyway &#8211; except that the &#8220;full-time employee&#8221; title is still held on to as a way to perpetuate careerism.) [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] *(Most likely that job could be done in fewer hours anyway &#8211; except that the &#8220;full-time employee&#8221; title is still held on to as a way to perpetuate careerism.) [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Aury (Thunderdrake)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aury (Thunderdrake)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jul 2010 18:05:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a lot of ambitions on being a writer in a lot of various mediums.

I&#039;ll be sure not to fall victim to this particular disorder... *shudders.*</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a lot of ambitions on being a writer in a lot of various mediums.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll be sure not to fall victim to this particular disorder&#8230; *shudders.*</p>
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		<title>By: No more McJobs</title>
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		<dc:creator>No more McJobs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jun 2010 11:16:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] But there’s no excuse for believing what they told you. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Graduation Roundup</title>
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		<dc:creator>Graduation Roundup</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 May 2010 14:03:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Are you suffering from careerism? by Early Retirement Extreme [...]</description>
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		<title>By: The Hitchhiker's Guide To Dealing With Financial Catastrophe &#171; Eliminate The Muda!</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Hitchhiker's Guide To Dealing With Financial Catastrophe &#171; Eliminate The Muda!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 May 2010 15:02:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Are you suffering from careerism? by Early Retirement Extreme [...]</description>
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		<title>By: thegreaterbig</title>
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		<dc:creator>thegreaterbig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 May 2010 01:59:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mate, you and I can’t mentally retire- we have to do our best work. It’s hard wired into us. Less is not an option. Average is not acceptable. Mediocrity is a waste of time. Excellence is our passion. Reward is knowing we did do our best, and no one can take that away.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mate, you and I can’t mentally retire- we have to do our best work. It’s hard wired into us. Less is not an option. Average is not acceptable. Mediocrity is a waste of time. Excellence is our passion. Reward is knowing we did do our best, and no one can take that away.</p>
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		<title>By: Friday Finance Followers &#8211; I Lost the Battle Edition</title>
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		<dc:creator>Friday Finance Followers &#8211; I Lost the Battle Edition</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 May 2010 12:12:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] wants to know if you are suffering from careerism. It is a new word to me, but I am happy to report that I am definitely not suffering from [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] wants to know if you are suffering from careerism. It is a new word to me, but I am happy to report that I am definitely not suffering from [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Funny about Money</title>
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		<dc:creator>Funny about Money</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 May 2010 21:35:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow! &lt;i&gt;Nice&lt;/i&gt; essay! I thought you were speaking directly to moi. Thanks for the link to my guest author&#039;s post, too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow! <i>Nice</i> essay! I thought you were speaking directly to moi. Thanks for the link to my guest author&#8217;s post, too.</p>
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		<title>By: Oasis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Oasis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 May 2010 15:09:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After 30 years of Corporate politics as an HR Manager, ( Hey it is lonely at the Middle too), I have observed organizational alignment counts as much a competence for success...ie what power/influence clique you are in.

If you are interested in &quot;getting ahead&quot; or survive the next cull, aside from having to schmooze, try to add value past your job or become the IT expert for whatever function you are in.

I hope to retire within the next two years. I am following the ERE method, 70% is saved, passive income streams are being set up.  I am almost there. In the meantime, I am mentally retiring, spend time looking busy in my office while reading this blog, Facebook, Moneycentral, and preparing my personal balance sheet, forecasts and plans for FREEDOM. It is close and I can taste it. Thanks Jacob for helping show the way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After 30 years of Corporate politics as an HR Manager, ( Hey it is lonely at the Middle too), I have observed organizational alignment counts as much a competence for success&#8230;ie what power/influence clique you are in.</p>
<p>If you are interested in &#8220;getting ahead&#8221; or survive the next cull, aside from having to schmooze, try to add value past your job or become the IT expert for whatever function you are in.</p>
<p>I hope to retire within the next two years. I am following the ERE method, 70% is saved, passive income streams are being set up.  I am almost there. In the meantime, I am mentally retiring, spend time looking busy in my office while reading this blog, Facebook, Moneycentral, and preparing my personal balance sheet, forecasts and plans for FREEDOM. It is close and I can taste it. Thanks Jacob for helping show the way.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 May 2010 06:52:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;So two solutions: Either you have to find a vocation where the competence ceiling is really really high. Or you have to accept that at a certain point whatever you do will be dominated by careerism of some sort.&quot;

@Jacob: Thanks, I understand it better now. The solutions you provided, seem to be good enough. I&#039;ll have to accept careerism until ERE (and/or the fore-mentioned autonomy) kicks in.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;So two solutions: Either you have to find a vocation where the competence ceiling is really really high. Or you have to accept that at a certain point whatever you do will be dominated by careerism of some sort.&#8221;</p>
<p>@Jacob: Thanks, I understand it better now. The solutions you provided, seem to be good enough. I&#8217;ll have to accept careerism until ERE (and/or the fore-mentioned autonomy) kicks in.</p>
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		<title>By: MoneyEnergy</title>
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		<dc:creator>MoneyEnergy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 May 2010 00:33:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Jacob - ok, I think I may have been interpreting the politicking in a different way, since I consider myself A-list material too (or at least I once did - maybe still am in an absolute sense but not in the sociopolitical, recognized sense).

Yeah, I&#039;m not interested in breaching integrity or trying to get something for nothing.   Just not interested in extra politicking wherever it&#039;s become a convention.  I&#039;ll do what I have to, but I agree with you that real work isn&#039;t generally about politics at all (except in the literal sense of dealing with certain political organizing, etc., perhaps).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Jacob &#8211; ok, I think I may have been interpreting the politicking in a different way, since I consider myself A-list material too (or at least I once did &#8211; maybe still am in an absolute sense but not in the sociopolitical, recognized sense).</p>
<p>Yeah, I&#8217;m not interested in breaching integrity or trying to get something for nothing.   Just not interested in extra politicking wherever it&#8217;s become a convention.  I&#8217;ll do what I have to, but I agree with you that real work isn&#8217;t generally about politics at all (except in the literal sense of dealing with certain political organizing, etc., perhaps).</p>
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		<title>By: Maus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Maus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 May 2010 17:23:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>oops.  Meant to say silent elevators and peptic ulcers AREN&#039;T so bad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oops.  Meant to say silent elevators and peptic ulcers AREN&#8217;T so bad.</p>
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