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		<title>By: linklings, international labor day edition &#124; brip blap</title>
		<link>http://earlyretirementextreme.com/does-money-only-exist-to-be-spen.html/comment-page-1#comment-26403</link>
		<dc:creator>linklings, international labor day edition &#124; brip blap</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Sep 2011 10:44:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: SJ</title>
		<link>http://earlyretirementextreme.com/does-money-only-exist-to-be-spen.html/comment-page-1#comment-4703</link>
		<dc:creator>SJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 May 2009 03:41:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m kind  of confused by rich/poor/wealthy/broke paradigm, i.e. income vs. accum. wealth?

Also are you basically arguing somewhat similar to a zero-sum game, where the poor must &quot;sacrifice&quot; their money for the &quot;rich&quot; to accelerate self to wealth?

O/w. I kind of agree with George and the post...

Money exists b/c it&#039;s a place holder for other things. The other things almost always are similar to power. That&#039;s why the wealthy are able to make the laws, b/c they have &quot;power&quot;.

Money has use both in the ability to be transformed into other goods and the *threat* of transformation.
It&#039;s the same as a lot of video games, the threat/ability to do something can be greater than the actual event =)

It seems to be you have a LOT of really good points but somewhat crammed in that I&#039;m kind of confused =)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m kind  of confused by rich/poor/wealthy/broke paradigm, i.e. income vs. accum. wealth?</p>
<p>Also are you basically arguing somewhat similar to a zero-sum game, where the poor must &#8220;sacrifice&#8221; their money for the &#8220;rich&#8221; to accelerate self to wealth?</p>
<p>O/w. I kind of agree with George and the post&#8230;</p>
<p>Money exists b/c it&#8217;s a place holder for other things. The other things almost always are similar to power. That&#8217;s why the wealthy are able to make the laws, b/c they have &#8220;power&#8221;.</p>
<p>Money has use both in the ability to be transformed into other goods and the *threat* of transformation.<br />
It&#8217;s the same as a lot of video games, the threat/ability to do something can be greater than the actual event =)</p>
<p>It seems to be you have a LOT of really good points but somewhat crammed in that I&#8217;m kind of confused =)</p>
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		<title>By: AJC @ 7Million7Years</title>
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		<dc:creator>AJC @ 7Million7Years</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 May 2009 23:32:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like your &#039;delineation&#039; argument ...

This is actually a &#039;triple-nested&#039; post-about-a-post-about-a-comment that I originally left on Brip Blap&#039;s blog:

http://www.bripblap.com/2009/why-i-spend/

Now, I&#039;m going to have to post on my own blog: it will be a post-about-a-post-about-a-post-about-a-comment! 

It will be the &#039;holy grail&#039; of blogging: the Quadruple Nested Post :P</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like your &#8216;delineation&#8217; argument &#8230;</p>
<p>This is actually a &#8216;triple-nested&#8217; post-about-a-post-about-a-comment that I originally left on Brip Blap&#8217;s blog:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.bripblap.com/2009/why-i-spend/" rel="nofollow">http://www.bripblap.com/2009/why-i-spend/</a></p>
<p>Now, I&#8217;m going to have to post on my own blog: it will be a post-about-a-post-about-a-post-about-a-comment! </p>
<p>It will be the &#8216;holy grail&#8217; of blogging: the Quadruple Nested Post <img src='http://earlyretirementextreme.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Jacob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jacob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 May 2009 21:24:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Executioner - (*) This footnote does not exist 8-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Executioner &#8211; (*) This footnote does not exist <img src='http://earlyretirementextreme.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_cool.gif' alt='8-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Executioner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Executioner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 May 2009 21:16:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t you hate it when an article you are reading contains a reference asterisk (*) with no corresponding footnote?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t you hate it when an article you are reading contains a reference asterisk (*) with no corresponding footnote?</p>
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		<title>By: George</title>
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		<dc:creator>George</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 May 2009 19:49:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Money, in the traditional sense (whether rocks or coins or paper bills), exists because it&#039;s the simplest way to track credits/debits for bartering.  In this definition, there is nothing inherent about spending or saving... money merely makes transactions easier to conduct.

From our modern perspective, we use money to account for food, shelter, and luxuries.  Ideally, once one has met the food and shelter requirements for life, then the spending on luxuries commences.  However, one does not know in advance how much of a lifespan one has, so one should approach luxuries with caution.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Money, in the traditional sense (whether rocks or coins or paper bills), exists because it&#8217;s the simplest way to track credits/debits for bartering.  In this definition, there is nothing inherent about spending or saving&#8230; money merely makes transactions easier to conduct.</p>
<p>From our modern perspective, we use money to account for food, shelter, and luxuries.  Ideally, once one has met the food and shelter requirements for life, then the spending on luxuries commences.  However, one does not know in advance how much of a lifespan one has, so one should approach luxuries with caution.</p>
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		<title>By: hickchick</title>
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		<dc:creator>hickchick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Apr 2009 23:26:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;In general left-wingers as a group are pretty smart when it comes to dealing with other people and making their own choices&quot;

I find this line of thinking interesting, because I think you&#039;re missing the real point.  Left wing types seem to be out to save people from themselves. (i.e. they might make the right choices for themselves, but they want to make decisions for everyone else too) Right wing types don&#039;t care that anyone is saved as long as they get a piece of the pie.  

Both are necessary for society to function as a whole, but I am reminded of a quote from CS Lewis.

&quot;Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron&#039;s cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;In general left-wingers as a group are pretty smart when it comes to dealing with other people and making their own choices&#8221;</p>
<p>I find this line of thinking interesting, because I think you&#8217;re missing the real point.  Left wing types seem to be out to save people from themselves. (i.e. they might make the right choices for themselves, but they want to make decisions for everyone else too) Right wing types don&#8217;t care that anyone is saved as long as they get a piece of the pie.  </p>
<p>Both are necessary for society to function as a whole, but I am reminded of a quote from CS Lewis.</p>
<p>&#8220;Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron&#8217;s cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Mo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Apr 2009 21:53:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At the very least it seems that the moneymonk argument is one sided.

The argument seems to be that from the perspective of the person holding money, money exists only to be spent, becuase that is its ultimate destination-- sooner or later it has to circulate he says.

Well, if it has to &quot;circulate&quot;, a simple counter argument could be that money exists to be collected. From the perspective of the business owner-- anytime the moneymonk spends, someone else must receive the funds-- otherwise he hasn&#039;t spent. The business sector as a whole can state &quot;eventually it will be collected, sooner or later it has to circulate&quot;.

As far as I can tell the only thing that seems to be &quot;circulating&quot; in moneymonk&#039;s post is relatively simplistic support for consumerism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At the very least it seems that the moneymonk argument is one sided.</p>
<p>The argument seems to be that from the perspective of the person holding money, money exists only to be spent, becuase that is its ultimate destination&#8211; sooner or later it has to circulate he says.</p>
<p>Well, if it has to &#8220;circulate&#8221;, a simple counter argument could be that money exists to be collected. From the perspective of the business owner&#8211; anytime the moneymonk spends, someone else must receive the funds&#8211; otherwise he hasn&#8217;t spent. The business sector as a whole can state &#8220;eventually it will be collected, sooner or later it has to circulate&#8221;.</p>
<p>As far as I can tell the only thing that seems to be &#8220;circulating&#8221; in moneymonk&#8217;s post is relatively simplistic support for consumerism.</p>
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		<title>By: Jacob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jacob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Apr 2009 21:45:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Moneymonk - This is where I disagree. You can essentially hold it (and wave it around), forever. Having an option to exercise a claim does not mean it has to be exercised.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Moneymonk &#8211; This is where I disagree. You can essentially hold it (and wave it around), forever. Having an option to exercise a claim does not mean it has to be exercised.</p>
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		<title>By: Moneymonk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Moneymonk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Apr 2009 19:04:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>eventually it will be spent: save, spend, give

sooner or later it has to circulate</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>eventually it will be spent: save, spend, give</p>
<p>sooner or later it has to circulate</p>
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