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		<title>By: firefighter</title>
		<link>http://earlyretirementextreme.com/donations-sword-cutting-and-geocaching.html/comment-page-1#comment-5905</link>
		<dc:creator>firefighter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jul 2009 23:32:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?guid=c4b36f6f-c15e-4b3c-9ec8-665f5c3537ff

Here&#039;s an insanely difficult geocache in
my area.  My brother-in-law and I joke
about having 6 months of free time to
solve it.

Read the whole description and warnings
if you&#039;re up for a chuckle.

-FF</description>
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<p>Here&#8217;s an insanely difficult geocache in<br />
my area.  My brother-in-law and I joke<br />
about having 6 months of free time to<br />
solve it.</p>
<p>Read the whole description and warnings<br />
if you&#8217;re up for a chuckle.</p>
<p>-FF</p>
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		<title>By: Knobby Kabushka</title>
		<link>http://earlyretirementextreme.com/donations-sword-cutting-and-geocaching.html/comment-page-1#comment-5804</link>
		<dc:creator>Knobby Kabushka</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 21:44:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@KM - The IRS will consider any exchange of money, property as taxable unless shown otherwise,it&#039;s their nature. Intent is part of all giving and gifting. 

Here&#039;s an example of my interptation of the IRS code on giving to an individual and as to how wording and intent work hand in hand: 

I give $50 to Jane Doe who writes a blog about cookies, I do so voluntarily just to help her out with expenses and maybe keep the blog going. What she does with the money I have no control over, I am just personally expecting her to use the money for what I think she needed the money for. I record this $50.00 in my personal finance records as &#039;Gift&#039; to Jane Doe 07/20/2009. 

Tax Time: I as the donor, do not list that $50 anywhere on any tax forms, because I don&#039;t need to. One, Jane Doe is not a charible organization, so my $50 is not deductible under that classifcation and Two,the $50 is well under the yearly gift tax guidelines. 

Jane Doe - being the recipient of the $50 as  an individual has the responiblity by legal IRS statue to report it as income, IF there was no wording attached as to how that $50 was given.

If I attach a letter stating the $50 is a gift to her to be use as she wishes or I just write &#039;GIFT&#039; in the memo space on check - then Jane Doe does not have to report it as income. 

If I attach a letter stating the $50 is a contribution to her blog work or I write &#039;blog contribution&#039; in check memo box than she has to declare it as income. If she does or doesn&#039;t that is up to her and/or financial advisors.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@KM &#8211; The IRS will consider any exchange of money, property as taxable unless shown otherwise,it&#8217;s their nature. Intent is part of all giving and gifting. </p>
<p>Here&#8217;s an example of my interptation of the IRS code on giving to an individual and as to how wording and intent work hand in hand: </p>
<p>I give $50 to Jane Doe who writes a blog about cookies, I do so voluntarily just to help her out with expenses and maybe keep the blog going. What she does with the money I have no control over, I am just personally expecting her to use the money for what I think she needed the money for. I record this $50.00 in my personal finance records as &#8216;Gift&#8217; to Jane Doe 07/20/2009. </p>
<p>Tax Time: I as the donor, do not list that $50 anywhere on any tax forms, because I don&#8217;t need to. One, Jane Doe is not a charible organization, so my $50 is not deductible under that classifcation and Two,the $50 is well under the yearly gift tax guidelines. </p>
<p>Jane Doe &#8211; being the recipient of the $50 as  an individual has the responiblity by legal IRS statue to report it as income, IF there was no wording attached as to how that $50 was given.</p>
<p>If I attach a letter stating the $50 is a gift to her to be use as she wishes or I just write &#8216;GIFT&#8217; in the memo space on check &#8211; then Jane Doe does not have to report it as income. </p>
<p>If I attach a letter stating the $50 is a contribution to her blog work or I write &#8216;blog contribution&#8217; in check memo box than she has to declare it as income. If she does or doesn&#8217;t that is up to her and/or financial advisors.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin M</title>
		<link>http://earlyretirementextreme.com/donations-sword-cutting-and-geocaching.html/comment-page-1#comment-5800</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 18:30:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@KK - I would say it has more to do with the person&#039;s intent (in this case the person handing over the cash) than the wording you discuss.  If there is some expectation that the blog will continue based on your contribution or similar funding, I think the IRS might feel that is an exchange for consideration, which is taxable by definition (and still non-deductible to the payer).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@KK &#8211; I would say it has more to do with the person&#8217;s intent (in this case the person handing over the cash) than the wording you discuss.  If there is some expectation that the blog will continue based on your contribution or similar funding, I think the IRS might feel that is an exchange for consideration, which is taxable by definition (and still non-deductible to the payer).</p>
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		<title>By: matt g</title>
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		<dc:creator>matt g</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 18:12:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>geocaching rocks.  A decent magnetic compass is also a handy gadget at times.  Some &quot;multi-caches&quot; will ask you to go to waypoint x, walk 200 paces 10 degrees east of north, and then do something else.  Not sure if dedicated GPS units have stand-alone compasses (I use a PDA and a bluetooth GPS - wacky, but it works).  This is also useful if there are obstructions for GPS signal where the cache is located.  Move out to where you can get a good fix, take note of how far and in what direction the cache is, and then use the compass after the GPS loses signal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>geocaching rocks.  A decent magnetic compass is also a handy gadget at times.  Some &#8220;multi-caches&#8221; will ask you to go to waypoint x, walk 200 paces 10 degrees east of north, and then do something else.  Not sure if dedicated GPS units have stand-alone compasses (I use a PDA and a bluetooth GPS &#8211; wacky, but it works).  This is also useful if there are obstructions for GPS signal where the cache is located.  Move out to where you can get a good fix, take note of how far and in what direction the cache is, and then use the compass after the GPS loses signal.</p>
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		<title>By: Knobby Kabushka</title>
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		<dc:creator>Knobby Kabushka</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 17:14:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Correction - I should have said &#039;here&#039;s my understanding of the IRS contribution and gift tax codes as a Professional Tax Consultant&#039;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Correction &#8211; I should have said &#8216;here&#8217;s my understanding of the IRS contribution and gift tax codes as a Professional Tax Consultant&#8217;</p>
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		<title>By: Knobby Kabushka</title>
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		<dc:creator>Knobby Kabushka</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 16:49:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s my advise as a professional tax consultant: It all has to do with wording as with anything always does with the IRS. 

Do people &#039;donate/contribute&#039; or do they make a &#039;gift&#039; to you?  

It has nothing to do with blogging, you are considered just an individual in the eyes of the IRS.  Blogging could actually be considered just an electronic version of a written letter to family and friends. 

People who &#039;donate/contribute&#039; money,property,etc. and list said doing as such in their records to you CANNOT deduct it off their taxes, but you on the other hand would have a legal responibility to record and list all donations/contributions as income to the IRS and if so be pay taxes on it. 

If people &#039;gift&#039; money to you and list said doing as such in their records, they still CANNOT take that off their income but if under the $13,000/$26,000 limit then they are not libel for the gift taxes either. You also DO-NOT have to report it as income if the gift falls under the #1 IRS exception standard, which is: Gifts that are not more than the annual exclusion for the calendar year. 

Also that gift would have to be given as an &#039;present interest&#039; gift and used by you as such.  &#039;Present interests&#039; means items that can be used, possessed, and enjoyed presently. Examples of a &#039;present interest&#039; gift includes gifts of money, holiday presents, etc.

So as I said earlier the key to everything is &quot;WORDING&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s my advise as a professional tax consultant: It all has to do with wording as with anything always does with the IRS. </p>
<p>Do people &#8216;donate/contribute&#8217; or do they make a &#8216;gift&#8217; to you?  </p>
<p>It has nothing to do with blogging, you are considered just an individual in the eyes of the IRS.  Blogging could actually be considered just an electronic version of a written letter to family and friends. </p>
<p>People who &#8216;donate/contribute&#8217; money,property,etc. and list said doing as such in their records to you CANNOT deduct it off their taxes, but you on the other hand would have a legal responibility to record and list all donations/contributions as income to the IRS and if so be pay taxes on it. </p>
<p>If people &#8216;gift&#8217; money to you and list said doing as such in their records, they still CANNOT take that off their income but if under the $13,000/$26,000 limit then they are not libel for the gift taxes either. You also DO-NOT have to report it as income if the gift falls under the #1 IRS exception standard, which is: Gifts that are not more than the annual exclusion for the calendar year. </p>
<p>Also that gift would have to be given as an &#8216;present interest&#8217; gift and used by you as such.  &#8216;Present interests&#8217; means items that can be used, possessed, and enjoyed presently. Examples of a &#8216;present interest&#8217; gift includes gifts of money, holiday presents, etc.</p>
<p>So as I said earlier the key to everything is &#8220;WORDING&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Jacob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jacob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 15:44:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Kevin M - Either a GPS (which is the point of the exercise) or really really really detailed maps. The website has some recommendations for units. I use a Garmin eTrex which I picked up at Aldi a long time ago. It has the ability to enter a waypoint and GOTO that waypoint which is really all you need. Only challenge is that once you reach it the pointer starts behaving like a compas crossing magnetic north AND the pointer only works while moving because it get orientation by interpolating points in space, hence we we arrive to a spot, we&#039;ll be crisscrossing it trying to triangulate a more exact position. One datapoint is only good to maybe 4 meters. Maybe other units are better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Kevin M &#8211; Either a GPS (which is the point of the exercise) or really really really detailed maps. The website has some recommendations for units. I use a Garmin eTrex which I picked up at Aldi a long time ago. It has the ability to enter a waypoint and GOTO that waypoint which is really all you need. Only challenge is that once you reach it the pointer starts behaving like a compas crossing magnetic north AND the pointer only works while moving because it get orientation by interpolating points in space, hence we we arrive to a spot, we&#8217;ll be crisscrossing it trying to triangulate a more exact position. One datapoint is only good to maybe 4 meters. Maybe other units are better.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin M</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 13:24:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: geocaching - sounds like fun and a good way to get out and enjoy nature. I assume you have to have some sort of GPS device to &quot;play&quot;.  Any recommendations?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: geocaching &#8211; sounds like fun and a good way to get out and enjoy nature. I assume you have to have some sort of GPS device to &#8220;play&#8221;.  Any recommendations?</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin M</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 13:18:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Sam, Jacob - the annual exclusion for gifts is $13,000 for 2009.  That is, anyone can give anyone else that much money without dipping into their lifetime exclusion.  Also, even though a guy at the IRS says it&#039;s a gift, I would bet you if I called up today and got a different IRS agent on the phone the answer would be different.  

This is clearly a grey area, so a blogger doing something like this has some potential exposure if examined by the IRS.  I wonder what the &quot;standard treatment&quot; of this kind of income is by bloggers?  Jacob, perhaps you could do an informal twitter poll and post the results...anonymous if necessary.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Sam, Jacob &#8211; the annual exclusion for gifts is $13,000 for 2009.  That is, anyone can give anyone else that much money without dipping into their lifetime exclusion.  Also, even though a guy at the IRS says it&#8217;s a gift, I would bet you if I called up today and got a different IRS agent on the phone the answer would be different.  </p>
<p>This is clearly a grey area, so a blogger doing something like this has some potential exposure if examined by the IRS.  I wonder what the &#8220;standard treatment&#8221; of this kind of income is by bloggers?  Jacob, perhaps you could do an informal twitter poll and post the results&#8230;anonymous if necessary.</p>
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		<title>By: James NomadRip</title>
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		<dc:creator>James NomadRip</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 04:13:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Geocaching is a fun way to spend an afternoon outside. We have found many different new places we didn&#039;t even know were there, by downloading some caches and spending the afternoon hiking.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Geocaching is a fun way to spend an afternoon outside. We have found many different new places we didn&#8217;t even know were there, by downloading some caches and spending the afternoon hiking.</p>
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		<title>By: Jacob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jacob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 02:47:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Steven - It&#039;s a 5 year degree generally considered equivalent to a masters on the international scene.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Steven &#8211; It&#8217;s a 5 year degree generally considered equivalent to a masters on the international scene.</p>
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		<title>By: Steven</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 02:36:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are right Jacob.  The emails I get from you since I subscribed to your blog are from an email address containing your last name. I confess to getting snoopy and googling you!

Your SMI website is interesting, your team has an impressive set of credentials!  I went ahead and ordered a couple of the books listed under &#039;Planetary Ecology&#039; to try and give myself at least a basic education on the issues you are looking at.

One question, what does this mean in your bio?
&quot;cand.scient&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are right Jacob.  The emails I get from you since I subscribed to your blog are from an email address containing your last name. I confess to getting snoopy and googling you!</p>
<p>Your SMI website is interesting, your team has an impressive set of credentials!  I went ahead and ordered a couple of the books listed under &#8216;Planetary Ecology&#8217; to try and give myself at least a basic education on the issues you are looking at.</p>
<p>One question, what does this mean in your bio?<br />
&#8220;cand.scient&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Jacob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jacob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 01:27:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Jan - It&#039;s not such a big deal anymore. I think some googling around could have found me already based on various clues left around on the blog.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Jan &#8211; It&#8217;s not such a big deal anymore. I think some googling around could have found me already based on various clues left around on the blog.</p>
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		<title>By: Jan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 01:20:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, you&#039;re no longer anonymous now. Nice to finally &quot;meet&quot; you. :-)

How does it feel?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, you&#8217;re no longer anonymous now. Nice to finally &#8220;meet&#8221; you. <img src='http://earlyretirementextreme.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>How does it feel?</p>
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		<title>By: mjukr</title>
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		<dc:creator>mjukr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 00:24:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>btw, I&#039;d be interested in a post about your interest in shinkendo and how (if) it relates to your other interests ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>btw, I&#8217;d be interested in a post about your interest in shinkendo and how (if) it relates to your other interests &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: mjukr</title>
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		<dc:creator>mjukr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 00:21:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice if you can accept &quot;gifts&quot;! I&#039;d like to give an &quot;advance&quot; on your book ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice if you can accept &#8220;gifts&#8221;! I&#8217;d like to give an &#8220;advance&#8221; on your book <img src='http://earlyretirementextreme.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Sam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 00:10:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gifts are tax free so long as they are voluntary. The giver can&#039;t be getting something in return, that would be a purchase.

Also, I think there is a limit as to how mach you can give someone in one year. I doubt any of us are going to go over that. I think it&#039;s something like $11,000.

Better call the IRS or a qualified tax person. I&#039;m not an expert on this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gifts are tax free so long as they are voluntary. The giver can&#8217;t be getting something in return, that would be a purchase.</p>
<p>Also, I think there is a limit as to how mach you can give someone in one year. I doubt any of us are going to go over that. I think it&#8217;s something like $11,000.</p>
<p>Better call the IRS or a qualified tax person. I&#8217;m not an expert on this.</p>
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		<title>By: Jacob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jacob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jul 2009 23:41:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Sam - Nice! So this means that a gift economy of content would essentially be tax free?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Sam &#8211; Nice! So this means that a gift economy of content would essentially be tax free?</p>
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		<title>By: Sam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jul 2009 23:29:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Gifts&quot; to bloggers are tax free. See this post from the Online Photographer.

http://theonlinephotographer.typepad.com/the_online_photographer/2009/04/im-just-sayin.html</description>
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