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		<title>By: Why Don’t the Economic Experts Tell Us the Truth?</title>
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		<dc:creator>Why Don’t the Economic Experts Tell Us the Truth?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jul 2010 12:27:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] think for myself. I might not get it right either, but at least I know my own motives. And I am the expert in one financial arena: my own [...]</description>
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		<title>By: 360 Degrees of Finance: Willie Nelson Edition &#124; Fickle Finance</title>
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		<dc:creator>360 Degrees of Finance: Willie Nelson Edition &#124; Fickle Finance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Apr 2010 23:34:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Retirement Extreme&#8217;s Jacob (@extremejacob) shared his thoughts on everything being a process of conversion of input to output. Sort of like an abridged version of your money or your [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Ryan Martin</title>
		<link>http://earlyretirementextreme.com/economic-foundations-think-about-it.html/comment-page-1#comment-11064</link>
		<dc:creator>Ryan Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Apr 2010 23:56:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just wrote a piece arguing against the whole &quot;Time is money&quot; belief. You hit on many of the same points. Many financial bloggers out there talk about chasing more money, yours is a refreshing perspective.

More people need to admit to what consumerism really is; in most cases (if not all) it&#039;s a soulless vacuum.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just wrote a piece arguing against the whole &#8220;Time is money&#8221; belief. You hit on many of the same points. Many financial bloggers out there talk about chasing more money, yours is a refreshing perspective.</p>
<p>More people need to admit to what consumerism really is; in most cases (if not all) it&#8217;s a soulless vacuum.</p>
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		<title>By: Debbie M</title>
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		<dc:creator>Debbie M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Apr 2010 16:54:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ha!  Your glove example is not as extreme as your entry.  Other options include buying leather (or synthetic material), scissors, needle, and thread and making your own gloves.  Or borrowing the scissors, needle, and thread, and scrounging the leather, from, I don&#039;t know, the next squirrel you trap for soup.

Also, gloves don&#039;t quite make you stronger, but they make you tougher, which helps you use and improve your strength.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ha!  Your glove example is not as extreme as your entry.  Other options include buying leather (or synthetic material), scissors, needle, and thread and making your own gloves.  Or borrowing the scissors, needle, and thread, and scrounging the leather, from, I don&#8217;t know, the next squirrel you trap for soup.</p>
<p>Also, gloves don&#8217;t quite make you stronger, but they make you tougher, which helps you use and improve your strength.</p>
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		<title>By: Debbie M</title>
		<link>http://earlyretirementextreme.com/economic-foundations-think-about-it.html/comment-page-1#comment-11048</link>
		<dc:creator>Debbie M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Apr 2010 16:50:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>“Products won’t make you smarter, stronger, wiser, nor a better person, so it really only makes sense to spend it on investments.”

I beg to differ.  Products (books) can make me more knowledgeable which can help me act smarter and wiser.  Products (tools) can help me leverage my strength.  And, as is really being driven home by the book I’m reading, Kingsley Amis’ &lt;cite&gt;Lucky Jim&lt;/cite&gt;, being happier makes it a lot easier to be a better person.  And products (good mattresses, warm hats, cocoa powder, etc.) can make me happier.

That said, I do like the new perspective you offer, though for me, I’ll be wording it thus: “Does this purchase indicate a failure and, if so, do I want to find some other way to deal with the failure?”  Certainly most of my purchases lately have been indicative of failures (I’ve been eating out a lot when I’d rather be bringing food from home).  But in other areas, I’m much happier specializing and getting money.  (Looking at other recent purchases, I don’t consider my purchases of water, Netflix rentals or even auto insurance to be indicative of failure, and I consider only part of my purchase of electricity so.)

Thanks for the fun fact.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“Products won’t make you smarter, stronger, wiser, nor a better person, so it really only makes sense to spend it on investments.”</p>
<p>I beg to differ.  Products (books) can make me more knowledgeable which can help me act smarter and wiser.  Products (tools) can help me leverage my strength.  And, as is really being driven home by the book I’m reading, Kingsley Amis’ <cite>Lucky Jim</cite>, being happier makes it a lot easier to be a better person.  And products (good mattresses, warm hats, cocoa powder, etc.) can make me happier.</p>
<p>That said, I do like the new perspective you offer, though for me, I’ll be wording it thus: “Does this purchase indicate a failure and, if so, do I want to find some other way to deal with the failure?”  Certainly most of my purchases lately have been indicative of failures (I’ve been eating out a lot when I’d rather be bringing food from home).  But in other areas, I’m much happier specializing and getting money.  (Looking at other recent purchases, I don’t consider my purchases of water, Netflix rentals or even auto insurance to be indicative of failure, and I consider only part of my purchase of electricity so.)</p>
<p>Thanks for the fun fact.</p>
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		<title>By: JM3</title>
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		<dc:creator>JM3</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Apr 2010 12:17:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jacob,

I live in NH. I think this is the best place in the world to live.

I suggest you visit that particular region during the high tourism seasons. The rampant consumerism at the &quot;outlet&quot; stores in North Conway is very entertaining.

On the other hand, the taxes are low (watch out for the dividend tax that nobody seems to talk about!) lots of outdoor activities, and plenty of interesting ex-pats from Europe (James Turck, et. alia).

Cheers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jacob,</p>
<p>I live in NH. I think this is the best place in the world to live.</p>
<p>I suggest you visit that particular region during the high tourism seasons. The rampant consumerism at the &#8220;outlet&#8221; stores in North Conway is very entertaining.</p>
<p>On the other hand, the taxes are low (watch out for the dividend tax that nobody seems to talk about!) lots of outdoor activities, and plenty of interesting ex-pats from Europe (James Turck, et. alia).</p>
<p>Cheers.</p>
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		<title>By: Jacob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jacob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Apr 2010 04:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@chris - But there are different ways to spend the money. I admit I usually have to spend some kind of money... Let&#039;s use the hockey as an example. Suppose I have $100. Now, I could buy some fancy leather gloves. Or I could spend $30 on some synthetics and $50 on extra playing time and save the last $20. The latter choice would make me a better player. However, the average person will likely pick the first choice because he doesn&#039;t have the time for the second. Also, he likes nice stuff (don&#039;t we all), but unfortunately, he kinda likes it too much.

We can easily think up similar examples. For example, it is almost a law of boat ownership that the larger the boat is the less likely it is to leave dock. Presumably the owner doesn&#039;t have the time or the energy to go out because he is too busy or tired from working.

The story about the Mexican fisherman explains the problem nicely.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@chris &#8211; But there are different ways to spend the money. I admit I usually have to spend some kind of money&#8230; Let&#8217;s use the hockey as an example. Suppose I have $100. Now, I could buy some fancy leather gloves. Or I could spend $30 on some synthetics and $50 on extra playing time and save the last $20. The latter choice would make me a better player. However, the average person will likely pick the first choice because he doesn&#8217;t have the time for the second. Also, he likes nice stuff (don&#8217;t we all), but unfortunately, he kinda likes it too much.</p>
<p>We can easily think up similar examples. For example, it is almost a law of boat ownership that the larger the boat is the less likely it is to leave dock. Presumably the owner doesn&#8217;t have the time or the energy to go out because he is too busy or tired from working.</p>
<p>The story about the Mexican fisherman explains the problem nicely.</p>
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		<title>By: chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Apr 2010 04:35:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok...now that is extreme. I spend money for other reasons beyond my failures at competence. 

First one that comes to mind is Education. Education has come in handy as my most  valuable investment.In fact because I am involved in a tech career education counts as skill too. The other day I figured it at at least 20% per year on the initial outlay and loss of funds during those years. 


We (Jacob and I ) also spend money on healthy sports....me kiteboarding and Jacob on hockey and sailing.Its called fun!!

All saving and no fun makes Jack a dull boy. I feel the trick is to build up an investment portfolio to then spend money on the basics but more importantly to spend money for ....fun!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok&#8230;now that is extreme. I spend money for other reasons beyond my failures at competence. </p>
<p>First one that comes to mind is Education. Education has come in handy as my most  valuable investment.In fact because I am involved in a tech career education counts as skill too. The other day I figured it at at least 20% per year on the initial outlay and loss of funds during those years. </p>
<p>We (Jacob and I ) also spend money on healthy sports&#8230;.me kiteboarding and Jacob on hockey and sailing.Its called fun!!</p>
<p>All saving and no fun makes Jack a dull boy. I feel the trick is to build up an investment portfolio to then spend money on the basics but more importantly to spend money for &#8230;.fun!</p>
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		<title>By: MoneyEnergy</title>
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		<dc:creator>MoneyEnergy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Apr 2010 02:47:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I think of spending money as personal incompetence. It means I failed to have the skill or that I was too distracted to come up with a solution&quot;

--&gt;&gt; Nice, I like that.  I need to work on widening my own margins so I have more money to invest.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I think of spending money as personal incompetence. It means I failed to have the skill or that I was too distracted to come up with a solution&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8211;&gt;&gt; Nice, I like that.  I need to work on widening my own margins so I have more money to invest.</p>
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		<title>By: Spork</title>
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		<dc:creator>Spork</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Apr 2010 00:21:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would much prefer to do-it-myself than to have to earn the money to pay someone else to do it for me...whatever &quot;it&quot; is.  Some obvious exceptions include surgery and dentistry, I don&#039;t have the patience or determination to handle those things myself ;)

My house is paid for, I have no mortgage.  I have a 20&#039; x 40&#039; garden area this year to grow some low-cost groceries.  I get satisfaction from hiking, long bike rides, time at the library, and visits with my family, friends, and neighbors.  Life is good...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would much prefer to do-it-myself than to have to earn the money to pay someone else to do it for me&#8230;whatever &#8220;it&#8221; is.  Some obvious exceptions include surgery and dentistry, I don&#8217;t have the patience or determination to handle those things myself <img src='http://earlyretirementextreme.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>My house is paid for, I have no mortgage.  I have a 20&#8242; x 40&#8242; garden area this year to grow some low-cost groceries.  I get satisfaction from hiking, long bike rides, time at the library, and visits with my family, friends, and neighbors.  Life is good&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: glippy</title>
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		<dc:creator>glippy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Apr 2010 00:12:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Neighbor!

Jacob, that&#039;s precisely the neck of the woods I want to eventually settle down in. I grew up about a 90 minute drive from where the cottage is. Maybe we could share co-ownership of a modest sailboat? ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Neighbor!</p>
<p>Jacob, that&#8217;s precisely the neck of the woods I want to eventually settle down in. I grew up about a 90 minute drive from where the cottage is. Maybe we could share co-ownership of a modest sailboat? <img src='http://earlyretirementextreme.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Mneiae</title>
		<link>http://earlyretirementextreme.com/economic-foundations-think-about-it.html/comment-page-1#comment-11010</link>
		<dc:creator>Mneiae</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Apr 2010 22:45:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like the little house. I know that your wife would eventually like to have a house so it seems to fulfill that need.

AlexK definitely is reasonable. There is something to be said about specializing IF you want to work. Making yourself stand out as an expert in your field in the corporate world will get you money if that&#039;s the environment that you want to spend time in.

When you&#039;re retired, being a jack of all trades is more useful, especially as one of Jacob&#039;s goals is to be self-sufficient.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like the little house. I know that your wife would eventually like to have a house so it seems to fulfill that need.</p>
<p>AlexK definitely is reasonable. There is something to be said about specializing IF you want to work. Making yourself stand out as an expert in your field in the corporate world will get you money if that&#8217;s the environment that you want to spend time in.</p>
<p>When you&#8217;re retired, being a jack of all trades is more useful, especially as one of Jacob&#8217;s goals is to be self-sufficient.</p>
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		<title>By: namesarehardtopick</title>
		<link>http://earlyretirementextreme.com/economic-foundations-think-about-it.html/comment-page-1#comment-11009</link>
		<dc:creator>namesarehardtopick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Apr 2010 22:08:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;As always, I suggest throwing out the TV. It’s an easy way to gain a several hours a week for most people. Spend some of those hours learning a new skill and some of them avoiding having to buy the next solution.&quot;

Yes, it always amazes me at my job when I speak with people below the poverty level because they always pay a cable TV bill (and often an expensive cell phone bill too).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;As always, I suggest throwing out the TV. It’s an easy way to gain a several hours a week for most people. Spend some of those hours learning a new skill and some of them avoiding having to buy the next solution.&#8221;</p>
<p>Yes, it always amazes me at my job when I speak with people below the poverty level because they always pay a cable TV bill (and often an expensive cell phone bill too).</p>
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		<title>By: Mrs. Money</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mrs. Money</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Apr 2010 21:52:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d love to live in a tiny home or RV.  I can&#039;t convince my hubby to do it, though! :(</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d love to live in a tiny home or RV.  I can&#8217;t convince my hubby to do it, though! <img src='http://earlyretirementextreme.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Andy Hough</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy Hough</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Apr 2010 21:01:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It has been a little over a month since I got rid of my TV.  So far the extra time has mostly been used to surf the internet and read and not anything productive. It is possible that I will eventually get around to using the extra time for something productive.

I love the house.  I could find a house for around that price in my area but it would be hard to match the setting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It has been a little over a month since I got rid of my TV.  So far the extra time has mostly been used to surf the internet and read and not anything productive. It is possible that I will eventually get around to using the extra time for something productive.</p>
<p>I love the house.  I could find a house for around that price in my area but it would be hard to match the setting.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin M</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Apr 2010 20:24:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cool house, looks a little like my old home (we didn&#039;t have that much land or a stream, sadly).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cool house, looks a little like my old home (we didn&#8217;t have that much land or a stream, sadly).</p>
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		<title>By: AlexK</title>
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		<dc:creator>AlexK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Apr 2010 20:02:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice place!

I pay people to do things for me because my time could be used more efficiently elsewhere.  On Saturday I could do some yard work, or buy and fix a motorcycle and sell it for a $500 profit, and then pay someone $40 to do the yard work.

The reason why I&#039;m mentioning this is I&#039;m reading &quot;The Millionaire Mind&quot; by the same author as &quot;The Millionaire Next Door&quot; and it says most millionaires are not do-it-yourself people.  The ones who are DIY people are much less wealthy than the ones who are not.  There is something to be said for finding something you do well, than doing that exclusively.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice place!</p>
<p>I pay people to do things for me because my time could be used more efficiently elsewhere.  On Saturday I could do some yard work, or buy and fix a motorcycle and sell it for a $500 profit, and then pay someone $40 to do the yard work.</p>
<p>The reason why I&#8217;m mentioning this is I&#8217;m reading &#8220;The Millionaire Mind&#8221; by the same author as &#8220;The Millionaire Next Door&#8221; and it says most millionaires are not do-it-yourself people.  The ones who are DIY people are much less wealthy than the ones who are not.  There is something to be said for finding something you do well, than doing that exclusively.</p>
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		<title>By: chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Apr 2010 19:52:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My wife and I lived in a little place like that one block from the beach in Wa state. It was great. We paid 43K for it in 1995. When we had our second child it got to tight and sold it for 77K. 

There are alot of small places like that around if you are willing to get out of the super desirable metro areas. If there is a will there is a way for sure.

 
This subject reminds me of the book...How to retire by 35. It was a great read!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My wife and I lived in a little place like that one block from the beach in Wa state. It was great. We paid 43K for it in 1995. When we had our second child it got to tight and sold it for 77K. </p>
<p>There are alot of small places like that around if you are willing to get out of the super desirable metro areas. If there is a will there is a way for sure.</p>
<p>This subject reminds me of the book&#8230;How to retire by 35. It was a great read!</p>
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