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		<title>By: Surio</title>
		<link>http://earlyretirementextreme.com/food-rationing.html/comment-page-1#comment-12950</link>
		<dc:creator>Surio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jun 2010 03:44:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ahhh!,
  (Self-)Pedant moment:

The line must read:

Did you know that Warren Buffett’s son is a &lt;i&gt;an&lt;/i&gt; active supporter of no-till conservation agriculture?

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ahhh!,<br />
  (Self-)Pedant moment:</p>
<p>The line must read:</p>
<p>Did you know that Warren Buffett’s son is a <i>an</i> active supporter of no-till conservation agriculture?</p>
<p>&#8212;</p>
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		<title>By: Megan</title>
		<link>http://earlyretirementextreme.com/food-rationing.html/comment-page-1#comment-12949</link>
		<dc:creator>Megan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jun 2010 03:35:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jacob I have been devouring your archives for a few days! It feels like my brain has been rotated 180 degrees. Thank you for the enlightenment and sharing your journey. Just saw this and thought it would make you laugh 

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_yTEpoJ9_KNM/TCNk6OkTFrI/AAAAAAAAEvc/yHVBLAej-qc/s1600/post_apocalypse.jpg</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jacob I have been devouring your archives for a few days! It feels like my brain has been rotated 180 degrees. Thank you for the enlightenment and sharing your journey. Just saw this and thought it would make you laugh </p>
<p><a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_yTEpoJ9_KNM/TCNk6OkTFrI/AAAAAAAAEvc/yHVBLAej-qc/s1600/post_apocalypse.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_yTEpoJ9_KNM/TCNk6OkTFrI/AAAAAAAAEvc/yHVBLAej-qc/s1600/post_apocalypse.jpg</a></p>
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		<title>By: Surio</title>
		<link>http://earlyretirementextreme.com/food-rationing.html/comment-page-1#comment-12948</link>
		<dc:creator>Surio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jun 2010 03:17:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would also venture another opinion that the manner in which we approach our food production/ consumption/etc., in the West, and thereby dominantly promote it to the rest of the world is another reason for this present state of &lt;b&gt;&quot;major catastrophe-in-waiting&quot;&lt;/b&gt;.

In addition to suggestions above, there are some other land mineral restoration movements such as &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Permaculture&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;permaculture&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Hart_(forest_gardener)&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;forest gardening, &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biodynamic_agriculture&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;biodynamic farming&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.onemanonecow.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;(documentary)&lt;/a&gt; and so on. If all these sound hippie-dippie-do, then check out &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dan_Barber&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Dan Barber&lt;/a&gt; and his &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/dan_barber_s_surprising_foie_gras_parable.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;TED&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ted.com/talks/lang/eng/dan_barber_how_i_fell_in_love_with_a_fish.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;talks&lt;/a&gt; for &quot;modern choices&quot;. 

Did you know that Warren Buffett&#039;s son is a active supporter of &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Howard_Graham_Buffett#Personal_life&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; no-till conservation agriculture&lt;/a&gt;?

Best,
Surio.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would also venture another opinion that the manner in which we approach our food production/ consumption/etc., in the West, and thereby dominantly promote it to the rest of the world is another reason for this present state of <b>&#8220;major catastrophe-in-waiting&#8221;</b>.</p>
<p>In addition to suggestions above, there are some other land mineral restoration movements such as <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Permaculture" rel="nofollow">permaculture</a>, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Hart_(forest_gardener)" rel="nofollow">forest gardening, </a><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biodynamic_agriculture" rel="nofollow">biodynamic farming</a> <a href="http://www.onemanonecow.com/" rel="nofollow">(documentary)</a> and so on. If all these sound hippie-dippie-do, then check out <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dan_Barber" rel="nofollow">Dan Barber</a> and his <a href="http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/dan_barber_s_surprising_foie_gras_parable.html" rel="nofollow">TED</a> <a href="http://www.ted.com/talks/lang/eng/dan_barber_how_i_fell_in_love_with_a_fish.html" rel="nofollow">talks</a> for &#8220;modern choices&#8221;. </p>
<p>Did you know that Warren Buffett&#8217;s son is a active supporter of <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Howard_Graham_Buffett#Personal_life" rel="nofollow"> no-till conservation agriculture</a>?</p>
<p>Best,<br />
Surio.<br />
&#8212;</p>
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		<title>By: HSpencer</title>
		<link>http://earlyretirementextreme.com/food-rationing.html/comment-page-1#comment-12945</link>
		<dc:creator>HSpencer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jun 2010 02:32:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Heidi

My hat is off to you on your post.  If only more Americans would realize the land of plenty we have enjoyed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Heidi</p>
<p>My hat is off to you on your post.  If only more Americans would realize the land of plenty we have enjoyed.</p>
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		<title>By: Josh</title>
		<link>http://earlyretirementextreme.com/food-rationing.html/comment-page-1#comment-12936</link>
		<dc:creator>Josh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jun 2010 19:17:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would be all for taxing children instead of giving tax-breaks (or even giving more money) to people who have kids.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would be all for taxing children instead of giving tax-breaks (or even giving more money) to people who have kids.</p>
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		<title>By: Jacob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jacob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jun 2010 17:48:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Dave - Currently children are subsidized. In some countries, having children provides such substantial government benefits that people can live of it, if they only have 4+ kids.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Dave &#8211; Currently children are subsidized. In some countries, having children provides such substantial government benefits that people can live of it, if they only have 4+ kids.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jun 2010 17:44:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Has anyone read &quot;The Vegetarian Myth&quot;?  Much of the book has to do with the non-stability in food stocks given current population growth - topsoil is deteriorating more quickly than it can be replaced.  

One of the ways to replace this is to put livestock on the land - rather than what most crops force us to do.  This has been proven as a reasonable tactic:

http://www.fastcompany.com/1655491/plan-to-turn-deserts-green-wins-2010-buckminster-fuller-challenge

To see what a grain-based economy eventually does to the land, see previous agricultural strong-holds, which farmed their land to deserts (Rome, Mesopotamia, Egypt, etc....) - our prairies are essentially in the same state or will be shortly.

Get a freezer, buy a cow from a local farmer who feeds it only grass, cut the oatmeal which is not helping the land at all.

The main problem is overpopulation - nobody talks about that much though as it is a sticky subject to approach - how do you get a population to shrink?  Tax Children?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Has anyone read &#8220;The Vegetarian Myth&#8221;?  Much of the book has to do with the non-stability in food stocks given current population growth &#8211; topsoil is deteriorating more quickly than it can be replaced.  </p>
<p>One of the ways to replace this is to put livestock on the land &#8211; rather than what most crops force us to do.  This has been proven as a reasonable tactic:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.fastcompany.com/1655491/plan-to-turn-deserts-green-wins-2010-buckminster-fuller-challenge" rel="nofollow">http://www.fastcompany.com/1655491/plan-to-turn-deserts-green-wins-2010-buckminster-fuller-challenge</a></p>
<p>To see what a grain-based economy eventually does to the land, see previous agricultural strong-holds, which farmed their land to deserts (Rome, Mesopotamia, Egypt, etc&#8230;.) &#8211; our prairies are essentially in the same state or will be shortly.</p>
<p>Get a freezer, buy a cow from a local farmer who feeds it only grass, cut the oatmeal which is not helping the land at all.</p>
<p>The main problem is overpopulation &#8211; nobody talks about that much though as it is a sticky subject to approach &#8211; how do you get a population to shrink?  Tax Children?</p>
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		<title>By: Jacob</title>
		<link>http://earlyretirementextreme.com/food-rationing.html/comment-page-1#comment-12924</link>
		<dc:creator>Jacob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jun 2010 16:41:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Insurance Izzy - What the government is doing with the salt and &quot;bad foods&quot; is regulation (probably to save on future medicare and medicaid). Rationing, like what happened 2 years ago for food, can essentially happen at any time again. All it takes is a failed harvest. The world is pretty much stretched; there is essentially no grain storage. (If you want to up your level of anxiety, dig into that story.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Insurance Izzy &#8211; What the government is doing with the salt and &#8220;bad foods&#8221; is regulation (probably to save on future medicare and medicaid). Rationing, like what happened 2 years ago for food, can essentially happen at any time again. All it takes is a failed harvest. The world is pretty much stretched; there is essentially no grain storage. (If you want to up your level of anxiety, dig into that story.)</p>
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		<title>By: Insurance Izzy</title>
		<link>http://earlyretirementextreme.com/food-rationing.html/comment-page-1#comment-12923</link>
		<dc:creator>Insurance Izzy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jun 2010 16:37:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a more recent rationing incident, government agencies are trying to regulate salt use, demand mandatory warning labels for unhealthy foods, and get meat and its products entirely out of our diets. Of course, any success they have in this area is almost indefinitely unconstitutional. The government would be taking away our right to choose for ourselves what we eat and in what amounts.
While I can definitely understand cutting some things out of your diet in the interest of a healthier lifestyle, I don&#039;t think we&#039;re going to see food shortages in the near future. However, I think we should expect taxes on the foods the government has deemed unhealthy (i.e. carbonated beverages, high fat, high calories, etc.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a more recent rationing incident, government agencies are trying to regulate salt use, demand mandatory warning labels for unhealthy foods, and get meat and its products entirely out of our diets. Of course, any success they have in this area is almost indefinitely unconstitutional. The government would be taking away our right to choose for ourselves what we eat and in what amounts.<br />
While I can definitely understand cutting some things out of your diet in the interest of a healthier lifestyle, I don&#8217;t think we&#8217;re going to see food shortages in the near future. However, I think we should expect taxes on the foods the government has deemed unhealthy (i.e. carbonated beverages, high fat, high calories, etc.)</p>
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		<title>By: Surio</title>
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		<dc:creator>Surio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jun 2010 16:37:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jacob wrote:
&lt;blockquote&gt;
I suggest doing what we do. Instead of making meat the main part of the meal, turn it into a condiment or perhaps leave it out altogether. Similarly, drop the milk. Finally, learn what grows locally and when it is in season and cook with those ingredients. 
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

YaY!! Jacob for &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benevolent_Dictator_for_Life&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;BDFL&lt;/a&gt; ;-)

Best,
Surio.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jacob wrote:</p>
<blockquote><p>
I suggest doing what we do. Instead of making meat the main part of the meal, turn it into a condiment or perhaps leave it out altogether. Similarly, drop the milk. Finally, learn what grows locally and when it is in season and cook with those ingredients.
</p></blockquote>
<p>YaY!! Jacob for <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benevolent_Dictator_for_Life" rel="nofollow">BDFL</a> <img src='http://earlyretirementextreme.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Best,<br />
Surio.<br />
&#8212;</p>
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		<title>By: Gander at BigBrood</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gander at BigBrood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 19:27:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While I&#039;m not convinced about overpopulation I do remain convinced that we should try to minimize our impact on our resources (within reason).  To this end, we are moving to buying more locally.  This stimulates our local economy and also provides us with fresher food.

If you&#039;re going to buy meat, buy it in bulk (ie: 1/2 to 1 cow at a time) from a local farmer and share it with others if you need.  This really lowers the cost and keeps it local at the same time.

I am also personally moving to a diet more reliant on beans and rice because I enjoy them, they&#039;re healthier, cheaper and just as filling as meat-based meals.

I&#039;m not on an extreme early retirement path, but I am on a happier path, lower impact and earlier retirement path.

Thanks for the thoughts!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I&#8217;m not convinced about overpopulation I do remain convinced that we should try to minimize our impact on our resources (within reason).  To this end, we are moving to buying more locally.  This stimulates our local economy and also provides us with fresher food.</p>
<p>If you&#8217;re going to buy meat, buy it in bulk (ie: 1/2 to 1 cow at a time) from a local farmer and share it with others if you need.  This really lowers the cost and keeps it local at the same time.</p>
<p>I am also personally moving to a diet more reliant on beans and rice because I enjoy them, they&#8217;re healthier, cheaper and just as filling as meat-based meals.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not on an extreme early retirement path, but I am on a happier path, lower impact and earlier retirement path.</p>
<p>Thanks for the thoughts!</p>
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		<title>By: yvie</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Apr 2008 13:09:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cuba&#039;s life expectancy rate is very close to the US 76.2 compared to US to 77.1.

Such a poor country yet they live almost as long as Americans.

Cubans have problems of not enough food (or variety) and US has problems with too much food.

I am very curious to see how this increase in food prices will play out.

Will people eat lower on the food chain, opting for healthier beans instead of their T-bone steak?  Will they plant gardens to grown healthy nutritious food or will they munch on cheap junk food with high calories?

Time will tell.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cuba&#8217;s life expectancy rate is very close to the US 76.2 compared to US to 77.1.</p>
<p>Such a poor country yet they live almost as long as Americans.</p>
<p>Cubans have problems of not enough food (or variety) and US has problems with too much food.</p>
<p>I am very curious to see how this increase in food prices will play out.</p>
<p>Will people eat lower on the food chain, opting for healthier beans instead of their T-bone steak?  Will they plant gardens to grown healthy nutritious food or will they munch on cheap junk food with high calories?</p>
<p>Time will tell.</p>
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		<title>By: Heidi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Heidi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Apr 2008 20:29:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Food rationing today in Cuba (per Wikipedia-so I can not guarentee it&#039;s accuracy) per person, per month along with subsidized price:

Product Quantity Price (CUP) 
Rice 6 lb 0.70 / lb 
Beans 20 oz. 0.32 / lb 
White (refined) sugar 3 lb 0.15 / lb 
Dark (unrefined) sugar 3 lb 0.10 / lb 
Milk (only children under 7 years) 1 lt / day 0.25 / each 
Eggs (*) 12 0.15 each 
Potatoes/bananas 15 lb 0.40 / lb 
(*) Only from September through December. 


This doesn&#039;t mention how long you have to stand in line to get these items once they do become available or how inflated the black market prices are. 

We take for granted all we have in this country. The ability to get in my car and drive to the grocery and pick out anything I want to eat for dinner and have it cost less than I make in an hour... 

Or even more shocking, at a little over $20 per hour, even after taxes I make enough money to buy enough rice for roughly 150-175 people per day. 

We take for granted that food will always be there and it will be as cheap as it is now. 

I stockpile food. I have never in my life worried about where my next meal will come from, and I don&#039;t want to. I would hate to be starving and think back to this time of plenty and realize for the price of a cup of coffee, or soda out of the vending machine at work, I could have prevented going hungry for one day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Food rationing today in Cuba (per Wikipedia-so I can not guarentee it&#8217;s accuracy) per person, per month along with subsidized price:</p>
<p>Product Quantity Price (CUP)<br />
Rice 6 lb 0.70 / lb<br />
Beans 20 oz. 0.32 / lb<br />
White (refined) sugar 3 lb 0.15 / lb<br />
Dark (unrefined) sugar 3 lb 0.10 / lb<br />
Milk (only children under 7 years) 1 lt / day 0.25 / each<br />
Eggs (*) 12 0.15 each<br />
Potatoes/bananas 15 lb 0.40 / lb<br />
(*) Only from September through December. </p>
<p>This doesn&#8217;t mention how long you have to stand in line to get these items once they do become available or how inflated the black market prices are. </p>
<p>We take for granted all we have in this country. The ability to get in my car and drive to the grocery and pick out anything I want to eat for dinner and have it cost less than I make in an hour&#8230; </p>
<p>Or even more shocking, at a little over $20 per hour, even after taxes I make enough money to buy enough rice for roughly 150-175 people per day. </p>
<p>We take for granted that food will always be there and it will be as cheap as it is now. </p>
<p>I stockpile food. I have never in my life worried about where my next meal will come from, and I don&#8217;t want to. I would hate to be starving and think back to this time of plenty and realize for the price of a cup of coffee, or soda out of the vending machine at work, I could have prevented going hungry for one day.</p>
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		<title>By: pidgeon92</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Apr 2008 03:05:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When the government starts rationing food, maybe I&#039;ll be concerned. When warehouse clubs do it, it is not newsworthy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When the government starts rationing food, maybe I&#8217;ll be concerned. When warehouse clubs do it, it is not newsworthy.</p>
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		<title>By: mysticaltyger</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 20:22:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I disagree with you on this one Jacob. I think most of the problems we have with food shortages are management problems. Governments regularly intervene in food markets with agricultural subsidies, creating all kinds of market distortions. The U.S. does a lot of this nonsense, but other countries are as bad or worse. Overpopulation is not the real problem we have in the world. Poor economic policies by the world&#039;s governments are the real problem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I disagree with you on this one Jacob. I think most of the problems we have with food shortages are management problems. Governments regularly intervene in food markets with agricultural subsidies, creating all kinds of market distortions. The U.S. does a lot of this nonsense, but other countries are as bad or worse. Overpopulation is not the real problem we have in the world. Poor economic policies by the world&#8217;s governments are the real problem.</p>
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		<title>By: Seth Miller</title>
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		<dc:creator>Seth Miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 15:13:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My wife and I just dropped milk about two weeks ago and switched to an oatmeal breakfast.  Thanks for the inspiration.</description>
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