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		<title>By: Jacob</title>
		<link>http://earlyretirementextreme.com/money-is-only-part-of-the-means-to-an-end.html/comment-page-1#comment-10818</link>
		<dc:creator>Jacob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Apr 2010 17:47:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Amy - I suspect this is because zoning laws put a lower limit on the price of a home (through its size) which keeps the poor from owning. It is similar to how minimum wage laws can keep people out of the job market.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Amy &#8211; I suspect this is because zoning laws put a lower limit on the price of a home (through its size) which keeps the poor from owning. It is similar to how minimum wage laws can keep people out of the job market.</p>
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		<title>By: Amy</title>
		<link>http://earlyretirementextreme.com/money-is-only-part-of-the-means-to-an-end.html/comment-page-1#comment-10798</link>
		<dc:creator>Amy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Apr 2010 04:44:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@HSpencer -

That&#039;s a good article, but it assumes one fallacy at the very start: a family with median income buys a median house.  Which is patently untrue since, if it were true, home ownership would be evenly spread throughout income levels (e.g. the very poor would be equally likely to own a mortgage as the upper middle class... in reality, the very poor almost always rent because it&#039;s cheaper in the short term).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@HSpencer -</p>
<p>That&#8217;s a good article, but it assumes one fallacy at the very start: a family with median income buys a median house.  Which is patently untrue since, if it were true, home ownership would be evenly spread throughout income levels (e.g. the very poor would be equally likely to own a mortgage as the upper middle class&#8230; in reality, the very poor almost always rent because it&#8217;s cheaper in the short term).</p>
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		<title>By: HSpencer</title>
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		<dc:creator>HSpencer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Apr 2010 02:56:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well I have more than spent my nickle on this thread.  My apology for so many posts.  In summation, here is all I am trying to say:

Think of a mortgage, or any other loan, as a 50 pound bag of dirt.  Now you can carry that bag of dirt for several feet, yards, or even a couple city blocks.  But when you try and carry that bag of dirt say 5 miles, it gets really really heavy.  So then as well goes the mortgage.  Usually when you get one (mortgage, car loan, other) your rather chipper in your youth or finances.  As time drags by, you --lose your job, incur health problems, get sued, or something along those lines.  This is when the bag of dirt gets too heavy to carry.  People just simply won&#039;t live within, or better, below their means.  There is no risk management considered on the mortgage.  No &quot;What if I--what if this happens or that happens--how am I protected and covered so I can continue to service my obligation&quot;?  For most people to even &quot;get it&quot; with what Jacob is teaching us, they have to get out of these spend till you drop mindsets.  
That&#039;s all I am saying.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well I have more than spent my nickle on this thread.  My apology for so many posts.  In summation, here is all I am trying to say:</p>
<p>Think of a mortgage, or any other loan, as a 50 pound bag of dirt.  Now you can carry that bag of dirt for several feet, yards, or even a couple city blocks.  But when you try and carry that bag of dirt say 5 miles, it gets really really heavy.  So then as well goes the mortgage.  Usually when you get one (mortgage, car loan, other) your rather chipper in your youth or finances.  As time drags by, you &#8211;lose your job, incur health problems, get sued, or something along those lines.  This is when the bag of dirt gets too heavy to carry.  People just simply won&#8217;t live within, or better, below their means.  There is no risk management considered on the mortgage.  No &#8220;What if I&#8211;what if this happens or that happens&#8211;how am I protected and covered so I can continue to service my obligation&#8221;?  For most people to even &#8220;get it&#8221; with what Jacob is teaching us, they have to get out of these spend till you drop mindsets.<br />
That&#8217;s all I am saying.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Apr 2010 01:05:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@HSpencer -
you are spot on if you equate money to fiat currency. Try thinking about it in terms of a store of value or time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@HSpencer -<br />
you are spot on if you equate money to fiat currency. Try thinking about it in terms of a store of value or time.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick</title>
		<link>http://earlyretirementextreme.com/money-is-only-part-of-the-means-to-an-end.html/comment-page-1#comment-10607</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Apr 2010 01:02:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@George -
As these past few years have shown, the poor have owned the mortgages, while the rich rent. The answer has now become apparent given the price collapse. I wouldn&#039;t classify it in terms of rich and poor; perhaps informed and uninformed. Or the elite and the sheeple. In other words, sometimes renting is more expensive, and sometimes owning is more expensive. Indeed, given where Jacob resides it&#039;s cheaper for him to rent indefinitely at todays ownership prices.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@George -<br />
As these past few years have shown, the poor have owned the mortgages, while the rich rent. The answer has now become apparent given the price collapse. I wouldn&#8217;t classify it in terms of rich and poor; perhaps informed and uninformed. Or the elite and the sheeple. In other words, sometimes renting is more expensive, and sometimes owning is more expensive. Indeed, given where Jacob resides it&#8217;s cheaper for him to rent indefinitely at todays ownership prices.</p>
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		<title>By: George</title>
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		<dc:creator>George</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Apr 2010 23:18:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@HSpencer -

That&#039;s a good article, but it assumes one fallacy at the very start: a family with median income buys a median house.  Which is patently untrue since, if it were true, home ownership would be evenly spread throughout income levels (e.g. the very poor would be equally likely to own a mortgage as the upper middle class... in reality, the very poor almost always rent because it&#039;s cheaper in the short term).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@HSpencer -</p>
<p>That&#8217;s a good article, but it assumes one fallacy at the very start: a family with median income buys a median house.  Which is patently untrue since, if it were true, home ownership would be evenly spread throughout income levels (e.g. the very poor would be equally likely to own a mortgage as the upper middle class&#8230; in reality, the very poor almost always rent because it&#8217;s cheaper in the short term).</p>
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		<title>By: Roshawn @ Watson Inc</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roshawn @ Watson Inc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Apr 2010 18:58:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is such an interesting post. Comparing yourself to others seems to be a losing battle because it so relative. You can compare yourself to the millionaire retirees and lose sight of the fact that that your cash flow is great and your life is very comfortable. You can compare yourself to others who do not have much (baby boomers who don&#039;t have $50K in savings and feel extremely blessed. The perspective is so critical.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is such an interesting post. Comparing yourself to others seems to be a losing battle because it so relative. You can compare yourself to the millionaire retirees and lose sight of the fact that that your cash flow is great and your life is very comfortable. You can compare yourself to others who do not have much (baby boomers who don&#8217;t have $50K in savings and feel extremely blessed. The perspective is so critical.</p>
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		<title>By: chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Apr 2010 18:57:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>that was a great overview...thanks HSpencer</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>that was a great overview&#8230;thanks HSpencer</p>
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		<title>By: HSpencer</title>
		<link>http://earlyretirementextreme.com/money-is-only-part-of-the-means-to-an-end.html/comment-page-1#comment-10589</link>
		<dc:creator>HSpencer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Apr 2010 01:55:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/Article18600.html

The above article appeared today and is well worth reading.  This illustrates what I posted some much about in this particular topic.</description>
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<p>The above article appeared today and is well worth reading.  This illustrates what I posted some much about in this particular topic.</p>
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		<title>By: HSpencer</title>
		<link>http://earlyretirementextreme.com/money-is-only-part-of-the-means-to-an-end.html/comment-page-1#comment-10588</link>
		<dc:creator>HSpencer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Apr 2010 00:34:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Nick-

I would add that money is a &quot;variable&quot; resource.
A stack of dollar bills could equal the purchase value of either one loaf of bread, or several.  The variable depends on the money supply in effect at the time of it&#039;s valuation.  The price of the loaf of bread depends on supply and demand, cost to produce, and transportation.  There is also a factor of what the public will bear on the price of the loaf.  Bread of course is considered a necessity by those who cannot or will not bake their own, which is the majority of people, so it is a demand item, mass produced at the lowest ratio of cost to profit, and sold at that price.  Money must then be variable in value to make the bread and purchase the bread.
Money, the resource or tool, must equal the ability to purchase the bread.  When we settle into a &quot;fixed&quot; income, our money resource is somewhat threatened by the rising costs of &quot;the bread&quot; or whatever you wish to portray as the need.
If bread is one dollar a loaf, and we have one dollar, then we are balanced.  If bread goes to two dollars and we cannot support the rise in price, our resource has failed us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Nick-</p>
<p>I would add that money is a &#8220;variable&#8221; resource.<br />
A stack of dollar bills could equal the purchase value of either one loaf of bread, or several.  The variable depends on the money supply in effect at the time of it&#8217;s valuation.  The price of the loaf of bread depends on supply and demand, cost to produce, and transportation.  There is also a factor of what the public will bear on the price of the loaf.  Bread of course is considered a necessity by those who cannot or will not bake their own, which is the majority of people, so it is a demand item, mass produced at the lowest ratio of cost to profit, and sold at that price.  Money must then be variable in value to make the bread and purchase the bread.<br />
Money, the resource or tool, must equal the ability to purchase the bread.  When we settle into a &#8220;fixed&#8221; income, our money resource is somewhat threatened by the rising costs of &#8220;the bread&#8221; or whatever you wish to portray as the need.<br />
If bread is one dollar a loaf, and we have one dollar, then we are balanced.  If bread goes to two dollars and we cannot support the rise in price, our resource has failed us.</p>
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		<title>By: Jacob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jacob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Apr 2010 23:54:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Nick - There are two ways people are ruled, politically through laws, which are supposedly equal for everyone, and financially through money, which favors those who have it. In so far these two authorities are respected it is possible to acquire resources either through politics or finance---if the respect goes away the default is force. Money is a proxy for the financial power you wield and what is important is not how much you have but how much you have compared to everybody else.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Nick &#8211; There are two ways people are ruled, politically through laws, which are supposedly equal for everyone, and financially through money, which favors those who have it. In so far these two authorities are respected it is possible to acquire resources either through politics or finance&#8212;if the respect goes away the default is force. Money is a proxy for the financial power you wield and what is important is not how much you have but how much you have compared to everybody else.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Apr 2010 23:31:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jacob, I would be interested to know your definition of money. I attempted my own in some earlier blog posts. The posts in question can be found here. 

http://www.becomingcapitalist.com/2010/02/what-is-money.html

http://www.becomingcapitalist.com/2010/02/really-what-is-money.html

However, my basic synopsis dictates that:

$ = ?t

Money is a derivative of time and defined as such, money then is simply a resource.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jacob, I would be interested to know your definition of money. I attempted my own in some earlier blog posts. The posts in question can be found here. </p>
<p><a href="http://www.becomingcapitalist.com/2010/02/what-is-money.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.becomingcapitalist.com/2010/02/what-is-money.html</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.becomingcapitalist.com/2010/02/really-what-is-money.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.becomingcapitalist.com/2010/02/really-what-is-money.html</a></p>
<p>However, my basic synopsis dictates that:</p>
<p>$ = ?t</p>
<p>Money is a derivative of time and defined as such, money then is simply a resource.</p>
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		<title>By: Kristine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kristine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Apr 2010 15:55:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s good to remember the bigger picture.  Why do people want to be millionaires?  To have piles of cash?  When we focus so much on the money, we lose our sights on the bigger goals - freedom to watch our kids grow up, making a bigger contribution, or having a nicer lifestyle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s good to remember the bigger picture.  Why do people want to be millionaires?  To have piles of cash?  When we focus so much on the money, we lose our sights on the bigger goals &#8211; freedom to watch our kids grow up, making a bigger contribution, or having a nicer lifestyle.</p>
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		<title>By: Simple in France</title>
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		<dc:creator>Simple in France</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Apr 2010 08:26:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is interesting *and comforting* to me that you still feel a little uncomfortable about living on less than others.  I do the same. 

Why? Here&#039;s my humble opinion: 

1.  Because being different from everyone else is uncomfortable.  

2.  Because of the importance that we as a society put on social class.  I can reason my way around social class logically, but on a habitual irrational level, I&#039;m still kind of taken aback to learn, for example, that I&#039;m not a member of the middle class based on common definitions.  By default, I find myself a member of the lower class based on society&#039;s definition--I can make up my own definitions, and argue that class distinctions are silly and arbitrary social constructs (which they are!) but I&#039;m alone in arguing that.  

I&#039;m fascinated by psychology and have often read that the way people around you see things can influence the way you see them yourself--including your ability to judge something right before your very eyes.  So I guess it is human--although it&#039;s kind of annoying.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is interesting *and comforting* to me that you still feel a little uncomfortable about living on less than others.  I do the same. </p>
<p>Why? Here&#8217;s my humble opinion: </p>
<p>1.  Because being different from everyone else is uncomfortable.  </p>
<p>2.  Because of the importance that we as a society put on social class.  I can reason my way around social class logically, but on a habitual irrational level, I&#8217;m still kind of taken aback to learn, for example, that I&#8217;m not a member of the middle class based on common definitions.  By default, I find myself a member of the lower class based on society&#8217;s definition&#8211;I can make up my own definitions, and argue that class distinctions are silly and arbitrary social constructs (which they are!) but I&#8217;m alone in arguing that.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m fascinated by psychology and have often read that the way people around you see things can influence the way you see them yourself&#8211;including your ability to judge something right before your very eyes.  So I guess it is human&#8211;although it&#8217;s kind of annoying.</p>
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		<title>By: Jacob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jacob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Apr 2010 07:52:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Although the differentiation is likely just a dualistic artifact ...</description>
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		<title>By: Jacob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jacob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Apr 2010 06:30:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@MoneyEnergy - Consider mathematical theorems or physical laws. Would you say they are invented or discovered? In other words, do they exist objectively or are they strictly subjective? There&#039;s your answer. 

I&#039;m leaning towards pretty much everything being discovered rather than invented.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@MoneyEnergy &#8211; Consider mathematical theorems or physical laws. Would you say they are invented or discovered? In other words, do they exist objectively or are they strictly subjective? There&#8217;s your answer. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m leaning towards pretty much everything being discovered rather than invented.</p>
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		<title>By: MoneyEnergy</title>
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		<dc:creator>MoneyEnergy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Apr 2010 06:26:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yep, I saw it today - that&#039;s *after* already noticing (yesterday?) that you changed your slogan - neat &quot;synchronicity&quot; there - what are the chances of that?

You may still have come up with it on your own, too - or the Aborigine you were in a previous lifetime thought it through you...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yep, I saw it today &#8211; that&#8217;s *after* already noticing (yesterday?) that you changed your slogan &#8211; neat &#8220;synchronicity&#8221; there &#8211; what are the chances of that?</p>
<p>You may still have come up with it on your own, too &#8211; or the Aborigine you were in a previous lifetime thought it through you&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Jacob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jacob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Apr 2010 05:33:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@MoneyEnergy - It is?! I wonder whether I saw it somewhere once and then forgot about it or whether I independently discovered something original. It happens too often for comfort.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@MoneyEnergy &#8211; It is?! I wonder whether I saw it somewhere once and then forgot about it or whether I independently discovered something original. It happens too often for comfort.</p>
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		<title>By: MoneyEnergy</title>
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		<dc:creator>MoneyEnergy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Apr 2010 05:29:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I saw a bumper sticker with your new blog slogan on it: &quot;the more you know, the less you need&quot; - it&#039;s an Aborigine saying, apparently... very nice.

Interesting to hear you say that you still measure yourself up to the Joneses once in a while - I guess that&#039;s just human, but you probably have more freedom than they do, and that&#039;s probably more important (they only have the possibility for freedom).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I saw a bumper sticker with your new blog slogan on it: &#8220;the more you know, the less you need&#8221; &#8211; it&#8217;s an Aborigine saying, apparently&#8230; very nice.</p>
<p>Interesting to hear you say that you still measure yourself up to the Joneses once in a while &#8211; I guess that&#8217;s just human, but you probably have more freedom than they do, and that&#8217;s probably more important (they only have the possibility for freedom).</p>
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		<title>By: Kris</title>
		<link>http://earlyretirementextreme.com/money-is-only-part-of-the-means-to-an-end.html/comment-page-1#comment-10575</link>
		<dc:creator>Kris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Apr 2010 03:19:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just an observation. Most or all of the comments to this post seem to be from males. 

For the record, I&#039;m female. And technically, I guess I&#039;m commenting on this post. So that means that at least one female has now commented. :-)

But actually I&#039;m not commenting on the post itself. I&#039;m just commenting on those making comments.

(Not to be politically incorrect, but guys seem to really like numbers.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just an observation. Most or all of the comments to this post seem to be from males. </p>
<p>For the record, I&#8217;m female. And technically, I guess I&#8217;m commenting on this post. So that means that at least one female has now commented. <img src='http://earlyretirementextreme.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>But actually I&#8217;m not commenting on the post itself. I&#8217;m just commenting on those making comments.</p>
<p>(Not to be politically incorrect, but guys seem to really like numbers.)</p>
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