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		<title>By: FreeUrChains</title>
		<link>http://earlyretirementextreme.com/prosper-taxes-for-debt-sales-and-bankruptices.html/comment-page-1#comment-29247</link>
		<dc:creator>FreeUrChains</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Nov 2011 17:48:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think financing someone else&#039;s house is better than just lending them cash. In the end, you actually get some unwanted property if they declare bankruptcy.

The banks know this of course, though, i suspect it can get expense with all that Property Tax, But it would give you a great push for Rental Investments!

Becoming an Angel Investors is probabaly even more of a tax headache.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think financing someone else&#8217;s house is better than just lending them cash. In the end, you actually get some unwanted property if they declare bankruptcy.</p>
<p>The banks know this of course, though, i suspect it can get expense with all that Property Tax, But it would give you a great push for Rental Investments!</p>
<p>Becoming an Angel Investors is probabaly even more of a tax headache.</p>
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		<title>By: Rick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Mar 2009 02:59:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for this account of how to deal with losses. I will save it for next year, I will need it.

Steve,

I compiled my results with Prosper and Lending Club and compared them (http://www.rickety.us/2009/03/comparing-lending-club-with-prosper). Prosper is going from bad to worse but Lending Club shines.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for this account of how to deal with losses. I will save it for next year, I will need it.</p>
<p>Steve,</p>
<p>I compiled my results with Prosper and Lending Club and compared them (<a href="http://www.rickety.us/2009/03/comparing-lending-club-with-prosper" rel="nofollow">http://www.rickety.us/2009/03/comparing-lending-club-with-prosper</a>). Prosper is going from bad to worse but Lending Club shines.</p>
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		<title>By: Jacob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jacob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Mar 2008 18:52:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Steve - that attitude is somewhat older than 3 months ;P I stopped making loans around summer last year. I would say it took me about a year, maybe, to accumulate enough bad debts to change my attitude towards p2p lending.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Steve &#8211; that attitude is somewhat older than 3 months ;P I stopped making loans around summer last year. I would say it took me about a year, maybe, to accumulate enough bad debts to change my attitude towards p2p lending.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Austin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Austin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Mar 2008 18:42:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ERE, less than 3 months ago you seemed to have a different take: &quot;I would get to help borrowers directly.&quot; (Dec 24, 2007 p2p lending post)  I am impressed to see your quick learning curve on this matter.  ;-\

Regarding the psych. component of investing, I&#039;m on board with that line.  I tentatively believe that I have trained myself to not act on emotions w.r.t. investing.  However, that does not mean that I do not feel emotions w.r.t. the apparent trend of a given investment.  I still feel a lift when my stocks rally and a pang when they swoon.  The highest achievement would seem to be developing an emotional insensitivity to financial windfalls and woes (without losing sensitivity to other matters, of course).  For now, I&#039;m just happy I do not act on such emotions; even so, who can say what actions one might take i.r.t. emotions stemming from exceptional financial gains or tragic financial losses?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ERE, less than 3 months ago you seemed to have a different take: &#8220;I would get to help borrowers directly.&#8221; (Dec 24, 2007 p2p lending post)  I am impressed to see your quick learning curve on this matter.  ;-\</p>
<p>Regarding the psych. component of investing, I&#8217;m on board with that line.  I tentatively believe that I have trained myself to not act on emotions w.r.t. investing.  However, that does not mean that I do not feel emotions w.r.t. the apparent trend of a given investment.  I still feel a lift when my stocks rally and a pang when they swoon.  The highest achievement would seem to be developing an emotional insensitivity to financial windfalls and woes (without losing sensitivity to other matters, of course).  For now, I&#8217;m just happy I do not act on such emotions; even so, who can say what actions one might take i.r.t. emotions stemming from exceptional financial gains or tragic financial losses?</p>
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		<title>By: Jacob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jacob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Mar 2008 17:08:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@MossySF - I think so. I reported mine as bankrupt only when they had been terminated by prosper.

@Steve - According to lendingstats, my estimated ROI is currently 8.71% e.g. in the same ballpark as corporate bonds of some really solid companies (hint hint). My weighted average interest rate is about 16% which makes my effective default rate around 7-8%. I am invested mostly in C and D grade loans but I have had all categories default on me except E(!). I don&#039;t see scams as a problem. If there is a scam prosper buys back the full principal. A much bigger problem are people who don&#039;t care about their credit rating e.g. they take out a loan, make a few payments and then disappear; people who take out big loans and then declare bankruptcy half a year later; and finally startups. 

@Kin - Yeah, I&#039;m looking forward to getting out of it too. 2010 should be my final year of dealing with it (unless an option is introduced to sell loans). 

@Adfecto - See my comments to Steve. In addition, I have played the statistics game e.g. making $50 loans to a lot of people rather than making big loans to a few people. P2P-loans have a way of drawing one in e.g. in the first few months, everything looks really good with very high interest rates. The fewer or the more concentrated the portfolio is, the longer this period of happiness can last, but of course if one loan goes bad in a four loan portfolio things can change radically. Also I would not underestimate the psychic component. For instance, when I lend money to people I see it as a business transaction (rather than say helping poor innocent people get out of debt), whereas when people default I see it as a personal insult (rather than innocent people just caving in), so I&#039;m clearly emotionally biased.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@MossySF &#8211; I think so. I reported mine as bankrupt only when they had been terminated by prosper.</p>
<p>@Steve &#8211; According to lendingstats, my estimated ROI is currently 8.71% e.g. in the same ballpark as corporate bonds of some really solid companies (hint hint). My weighted average interest rate is about 16% which makes my effective default rate around 7-8%. I am invested mostly in C and D grade loans but I have had all categories default on me except E(!). I don&#8217;t see scams as a problem. If there is a scam prosper buys back the full principal. A much bigger problem are people who don&#8217;t care about their credit rating e.g. they take out a loan, make a few payments and then disappear; people who take out big loans and then declare bankruptcy half a year later; and finally startups. </p>
<p>@Kin &#8211; Yeah, I&#8217;m looking forward to getting out of it too. 2010 should be my final year of dealing with it (unless an option is introduced to sell loans). </p>
<p>@Adfecto &#8211; See my comments to Steve. In addition, I have played the statistics game e.g. making $50 loans to a lot of people rather than making big loans to a few people. P2P-loans have a way of drawing one in e.g. in the first few months, everything looks really good with very high interest rates. The fewer or the more concentrated the portfolio is, the longer this period of happiness can last, but of course if one loan goes bad in a four loan portfolio things can change radically. Also I would not underestimate the psychic component. For instance, when I lend money to people I see it as a business transaction (rather than say helping poor innocent people get out of debt), whereas when people default I see it as a personal insult (rather than innocent people just caving in), so I&#8217;m clearly emotionally biased.</p>
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		<title>By: Adfecto</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adfecto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Mar 2008 20:33:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wrote a post a while back that ripped Prosper based on back of the envelope finance calculations, but hearing the personal stories of lenders would be better than just looking at raw statistics.  Can you share more details about how the loans went bad?  I&#039;m really curious to know how bad lenders have been burned by Prosper borrowers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wrote a post a while back that ripped Prosper based on back of the envelope finance calculations, but hearing the personal stories of lenders would be better than just looking at raw statistics.  Can you share more details about how the loans went bad?  I&#8217;m really curious to know how bad lenders have been burned by Prosper borrowers.</p>
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		<title>By: Kin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Mar 2008 18:08:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the info.  I got a prosper loan that defaulted last year and probably a few more this year.  I only have small amount of money in Prosper and stopped putting money into it, but I will have to follow these tax filing procedures for next 2 years. Pardon me and let me go cry too...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the info.  I got a prosper loan that defaulted last year and probably a few more this year.  I only have small amount of money in Prosper and stopped putting money into it, but I will have to follow these tax filing procedures for next 2 years. Pardon me and let me go cry too&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Austin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Austin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Mar 2008 17:25:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ERE and other P2P lenders, would you be willing to disclose what is your ROI (net bk and other writeoffs) on such lending, and over what period of time?

I can&#039;t come to embrace the view that lending money is &quot;helping someone out directly&quot;, and the arrangement feels too scam-susceptible for me to consider P2P lending.  I have visions of central Africans stealing the ID of dead people and other US citizens, just to get a payout of several $50 hits.  I&#039;m considering a retirement career in vigilante microloan collections.  ;-\</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ERE and other P2P lenders, would you be willing to disclose what is your ROI (net bk and other writeoffs) on such lending, and over what period of time?</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t come to embrace the view that lending money is &#8220;helping someone out directly&#8221;, and the arrangement feels too scam-susceptible for me to consider P2P lending.  I have visions of central Africans stealing the ID of dead people and other US citizens, just to get a payout of several $50 hits.  I&#8217;m considering a retirement career in vigilante microloan collections.  ;-\</p>
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		<title>By: MossySF</title>
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		<dc:creator>MossySF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Mar 2008 17:07:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmmm, I&#039;ve got a loan on bankruptcy also but it&#039;s still marked as &quot;late&quot; so I didn&#039;t file for it yet. I guess it&#039;s just in the process of bankruptcy and court proceedings haven&#039;t finished?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmm, I&#8217;ve got a loan on bankruptcy also but it&#8217;s still marked as &#8220;late&#8221; so I didn&#8217;t file for it yet. I guess it&#8217;s just in the process of bankruptcy and court proceedings haven&#8217;t finished?</p>
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