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		<title>By: Concojones</title>
		<link>http://earlyretirementextreme.com/real-skills.html/comment-page-1#comment-7072</link>
		<dc:creator>Concojones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Oct 2009 17:10:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Being an engineer by education, but attracted to other (business-related) jobs, there&#039;s indeed little skill I can offer. I present my personality  as my big asset (illustrated by related achievements), and sometimes it works, but often it doesn&#039;t (when they insist on this or that diploma, even if I am sure diploma shouldn&#039;t matter). So I keep trying.

Jacob: being from Europe myself, I&#039;ve always wondered what country you&#039;re originally from, and your secrecy regarding the matter wasn&#039;t the best cure :D Anyway, thanks for the hint (it suffices for me to make an educated guess).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Being an engineer by education, but attracted to other (business-related) jobs, there&#8217;s indeed little skill I can offer. I present my personality  as my big asset (illustrated by related achievements), and sometimes it works, but often it doesn&#8217;t (when they insist on this or that diploma, even if I am sure diploma shouldn&#8217;t matter). So I keep trying.</p>
<p>Jacob: being from Europe myself, I&#8217;ve always wondered what country you&#8217;re originally from, and your secrecy regarding the matter wasn&#8217;t the best cure <img src='http://earlyretirementextreme.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' />  Anyway, thanks for the hint (it suffices for me to make an educated guess).</p>
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		<title>By: wonderlake653</title>
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		<dc:creator>wonderlake653</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Oct 2009 06:12:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, if you&#039;re not Swiss, then my guess is Dutch or Belgain and your native language is  Flemish. 

Anyway, I think you should immediately watch the past five seasons of Deadliest Catch and then get thee to Dutch Harbor Alaska and get thee hired on a Crab Fishing Boat.  That&#039;ll test your mettle!

Good Luck, and I look forward to watching your Greenhorn adventurs next summer on Discovery.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, if you&#8217;re not Swiss, then my guess is Dutch or Belgain and your native language is  Flemish. </p>
<p>Anyway, I think you should immediately watch the past five seasons of Deadliest Catch and then get thee to Dutch Harbor Alaska and get thee hired on a Crab Fishing Boat.  That&#8217;ll test your mettle!</p>
<p>Good Luck, and I look forward to watching your Greenhorn adventurs next summer on Discovery.</p>
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		<title>By: Marcy</title>
		<link>http://earlyretirementextreme.com/real-skills.html/comment-page-1#comment-7061</link>
		<dc:creator>Marcy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Oct 2009 15:16:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s not that she&#039;s not entitled.  But it&#039;s clogging up the flow.  For example, on a forum the other day, we were talking about overpopulation.  And someone said that the problem wasn&#039;t birth rates, it&#039;s that death rates are really low.  So, b/c we keep people alive so much longer and cheat death all the time, we&#039;re not letting the circle of life happen.  

And I think there&#039;s a similar thing that can be said about the &quot;circle of jobs.&quot;  If we keep making more people who are going to school and then going to work, we need the people already working to retire at some point.  

Actually, if everyone were super frugal and retired early and/or worked half-time, unemployment would almost disappear.  You would be able to double the number of jobs if people could live on 20 hours a week, instead of 40.  And if a person retires after 10 or 20 years of work, that opens up jobs for others.

Is it better to have one person working full-time and one unemployed person, or two people working half-time?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s not that she&#8217;s not entitled.  But it&#8217;s clogging up the flow.  For example, on a forum the other day, we were talking about overpopulation.  And someone said that the problem wasn&#8217;t birth rates, it&#8217;s that death rates are really low.  So, b/c we keep people alive so much longer and cheat death all the time, we&#8217;re not letting the circle of life happen.  </p>
<p>And I think there&#8217;s a similar thing that can be said about the &#8220;circle of jobs.&#8221;  If we keep making more people who are going to school and then going to work, we need the people already working to retire at some point.  </p>
<p>Actually, if everyone were super frugal and retired early and/or worked half-time, unemployment would almost disappear.  You would be able to double the number of jobs if people could live on 20 hours a week, instead of 40.  And if a person retires after 10 or 20 years of work, that opens up jobs for others.</p>
<p>Is it better to have one person working full-time and one unemployed person, or two people working half-time?</p>
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		<title>By: Steven</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 22:44:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Marcy..why is your 71 year old coworker (assuming she is doing her work in a competent manner) any less entitled to keep working than the recent graduate?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marcy..why is your 71 year old coworker (assuming she is doing her work in a competent manner) any less entitled to keep working than the recent graduate?</p>
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		<title>By: AB</title>
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		<dc:creator>AB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 21:22:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Scott - Sounds like you got your money&#039;s worth.  Now you can do anything if you are willing to put forth the effort.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Scott &#8211; Sounds like you got your money&#8217;s worth.  Now you can do anything if you are willing to put forth the effort.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Lovingood</title>
		<link>http://earlyretirementextreme.com/real-skills.html/comment-page-1#comment-7050</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott Lovingood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 19:44:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The only think of worth I learned from my Chemical Engineering degree was this one single fact.

Every system no matter how complex can be broken down into solvable simple problems.  

Modern public schooling was instituted along with the industrial revolution to be able to churn out people with a minimal amount of skills and the ability to follow orders without thought.  What else did you need for a factory worker in the early days?  Someone with basic reading skills, basic math skills and an willingness to follow rote directions for a long period of time.

Today&#039;s society has changed a lot but the majority of people still fit into that category.. and always well.  I read a book many years ago called The Bell Curve ( I think ).  It covers why people fall into the categories they do and why it won&#039;t change.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The only think of worth I learned from my Chemical Engineering degree was this one single fact.</p>
<p>Every system no matter how complex can be broken down into solvable simple problems.  </p>
<p>Modern public schooling was instituted along with the industrial revolution to be able to churn out people with a minimal amount of skills and the ability to follow orders without thought.  What else did you need for a factory worker in the early days?  Someone with basic reading skills, basic math skills and an willingness to follow rote directions for a long period of time.</p>
<p>Today&#8217;s society has changed a lot but the majority of people still fit into that category.. and always well.  I read a book many years ago called The Bell Curve ( I think ).  It covers why people fall into the categories they do and why it won&#8217;t change.</p>
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		<title>By: Retired Syd</title>
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		<dc:creator>Retired Syd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 18:20:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is it Danish?  I was wanting to go to Copenhagen for a month next year and wondered where I could learn some basic Danish.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is it Danish?  I was wanting to go to Copenhagen for a month next year and wondered where I could learn some basic Danish.</p>
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		<title>By: Marcy</title>
		<link>http://earlyretirementextreme.com/real-skills.html/comment-page-1#comment-7048</link>
		<dc:creator>Marcy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 14:53:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is a reason people graduate without knowing how to do anything.  It&#039;s actually planned that way.  The reason is that school is specifically a way to manage the flow of people into the workforce.  I got that tidbit from one of Daniel Quinn&#039;s books, I think it was &quot;My Ishmael,&quot; not &quot;Ishmael,&quot; his first book.  &quot;My Ishmael was a sequel.

It makes a lot of sense.  And it doesn&#039;t necessarily apply to every single occupation, b/c some of them do need advanced training, but when the population increases (and people are being kept alive longer), why does the requirement for a basic job that doesn&#039;t need any advanced training go from high school diploma to bachelor&#039;s degree?  It&#039;s to keep people in school longer, hoping the people already working will retire or die, which is one reason I am pissed off at a coworker who won&#039;t retire at 71.  She&#039;ll work until she&#039;s physically unable to, and this is keeping some new med tech graduate from a job.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is a reason people graduate without knowing how to do anything.  It&#8217;s actually planned that way.  The reason is that school is specifically a way to manage the flow of people into the workforce.  I got that tidbit from one of Daniel Quinn&#8217;s books, I think it was &#8220;My Ishmael,&#8221; not &#8220;Ishmael,&#8221; his first book.  &#8220;My Ishmael was a sequel.</p>
<p>It makes a lot of sense.  And it doesn&#8217;t necessarily apply to every single occupation, b/c some of them do need advanced training, but when the population increases (and people are being kept alive longer), why does the requirement for a basic job that doesn&#8217;t need any advanced training go from high school diploma to bachelor&#8217;s degree?  It&#8217;s to keep people in school longer, hoping the people already working will retire or die, which is one reason I am pissed off at a coworker who won&#8217;t retire at 71.  She&#8217;ll work until she&#8217;s physically unable to, and this is keeping some new med tech graduate from a job.</p>
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		<title>By: tlblack</title>
		<link>http://earlyretirementextreme.com/real-skills.html/comment-page-1#comment-7045</link>
		<dc:creator>tlblack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 05:23:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>HS Spencer, Scott, I agree with your assessments.  I&#039;ve seen real problems developing in the future workers having been a high school teacher in some of the &#039;top&#039; high schools (don&#039;t even get me started on how stupid that ranking system is).  

More than anything, learning something new is about 1--realizing you don&#039;t know something you need to know, 2--having the problem solving skills to learn what you need. 3--being willing to take advice and find mentors and 4--sticking to it until you&#039;ve mastered the skill.   

 The US top-ranked high schools are turning out lots of people incapable of doing the above, but who are good at cramming lots of info into their heads.  It&#039;s frightening.  If that&#039;s what our Universities are recruiting now, we are in trouble.  There are going to be a lot of useless degrees out there with people that don&#039;t have the gumption to run their own business and are, frankly, unemployable.

Jacob: Here&#039;s another link to a red cross site with a phone # and a zip code locator.  Check with the chapters closest to where you live--I would be surprised if the classes weren&#039;t offered close to you because you live in a pretty populated area.

http://www.redcross.org/portal/site/en/menuitem.d8aaecf214c576bf971e4cfe43181aa0/?vgnextoid=46de1a53f1c37110VgnVCM1000003481a10aRCRD&amp;vgnextfmt=default</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HS Spencer, Scott, I agree with your assessments.  I&#8217;ve seen real problems developing in the future workers having been a high school teacher in some of the &#8216;top&#8217; high schools (don&#8217;t even get me started on how stupid that ranking system is).  </p>
<p>More than anything, learning something new is about 1&#8211;realizing you don&#8217;t know something you need to know, 2&#8211;having the problem solving skills to learn what you need. 3&#8211;being willing to take advice and find mentors and 4&#8211;sticking to it until you&#8217;ve mastered the skill.   </p>
<p> The US top-ranked high schools are turning out lots of people incapable of doing the above, but who are good at cramming lots of info into their heads.  It&#8217;s frightening.  If that&#8217;s what our Universities are recruiting now, we are in trouble.  There are going to be a lot of useless degrees out there with people that don&#8217;t have the gumption to run their own business and are, frankly, unemployable.</p>
<p>Jacob: Here&#8217;s another link to a red cross site with a phone # and a zip code locator.  Check with the chapters closest to where you live&#8211;I would be surprised if the classes weren&#8217;t offered close to you because you live in a pretty populated area.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.redcross.org/portal/site/en/menuitem.d8aaecf214c576bf971e4cfe43181aa0/?vgnextoid=46de1a53f1c37110VgnVCM1000003481a10aRCRD&#038;vgnextfmt=default" rel="nofollow">http://www.redcross.org/portal/site/en/menuitem.d8aaecf214c576bf971e4cfe43181aa0/?vgnextoid=46de1a53f1c37110VgnVCM1000003481a10aRCRD&#038;vgnextfmt=default</a></p>
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		<title>By: Scott Lovingood</title>
		<link>http://earlyretirementextreme.com/real-skills.html/comment-page-1#comment-7044</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott Lovingood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 03:47:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problems you assign to PhD students also apply to many MS and BS degreed people as well.  I spend a long time in industry and ran into quite a few college graduates who had no work experience or any idea how to accomplish things.

Many came in with the attitude that they were much smarter than the production workers or supervisors who have spent their life in the factory.  These were often the ones who failed miserably.  

Knowing how to work, being self motivated, understanding how to accomplish things is something that every one needs to learn.  Confidence allows us to face the unknown and grow.  

Good luck on finding the places to develop the skills you are looking for.  They will definitely benefit you in the future.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problems you assign to PhD students also apply to many MS and BS degreed people as well.  I spend a long time in industry and ran into quite a few college graduates who had no work experience or any idea how to accomplish things.</p>
<p>Many came in with the attitude that they were much smarter than the production workers or supervisors who have spent their life in the factory.  These were often the ones who failed miserably.  </p>
<p>Knowing how to work, being self motivated, understanding how to accomplish things is something that every one needs to learn.  Confidence allows us to face the unknown and grow.  </p>
<p>Good luck on finding the places to develop the skills you are looking for.  They will definitely benefit you in the future.</p>
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		<title>By: Jacob</title>
		<link>http://earlyretirementextreme.com/real-skills.html/comment-page-1#comment-7043</link>
		<dc:creator>Jacob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 20:24:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@AB I agree with half of that. We (physics) were never &quot;trained&quot; to or expected to hire people to get the job done. Otherwise, you&#039;re right, at least in my case. I can run my own research group (and I do in the non-profit) but only because my boss had a very hands-off approach. However, there are also many that end up as glorified technicians as their PI only let them work specific machines and specific problems. The &quot;bigger&quot; the science is, the more of a problem that is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@AB I agree with half of that. We (physics) were never &#8220;trained&#8221; to or expected to hire people to get the job done. Otherwise, you&#8217;re right, at least in my case. I can run my own research group (and I do in the non-profit) but only because my boss had a very hands-off approach. However, there are also many that end up as glorified technicians as their PI only let them work specific machines and specific problems. The &#8220;bigger&#8221; the science is, the more of a problem that is.</p>
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		<title>By: brauhster</title>
		<link>http://earlyretirementextreme.com/real-skills.html/comment-page-1#comment-7042</link>
		<dc:creator>brauhster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 20:20:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In my generation, most males with a High School education could get technical training in the military. Most unions had 4 &amp; 5 year on the job training.  To day, Vo-Tech &amp; Community College&#039;s provide the training for a trade.

Cisco Academy has a CCNA &amp; CCNP, on-line training.  These are in demand certs.  With your back ground you could zip through &amp; take the certs &amp; probablely work full or part time. 

I worked for the Cisco Academies for several years.  Email me if I can answer any questions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In my generation, most males with a High School education could get technical training in the military. Most unions had 4 &amp; 5 year on the job training.  To day, Vo-Tech &amp; Community College&#8217;s provide the training for a trade.</p>
<p>Cisco Academy has a CCNA &amp; CCNP, on-line training.  These are in demand certs.  With your back ground you could zip through &amp; take the certs &amp; probablely work full or part time. </p>
<p>I worked for the Cisco Academies for several years.  Email me if I can answer any questions.</p>
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		<title>By: Jacob</title>
		<link>http://earlyretirementextreme.com/real-skills.html/comment-page-1#comment-7041</link>
		<dc:creator>Jacob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 20:16:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@NL - I have found that I pretty much know the electronics and the physics/propagation already, so with that and common sense (e.g. questions about climbing towers), I can get to a barely passing grade. My weak points are regulations and operating procedures, so those I\&#039;m currently learning.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@NL &#8211; I have found that I pretty much know the electronics and the physics/propagation already, so with that and common sense (e.g. questions about climbing towers), I can get to a barely passing grade. My weak points are regulations and operating procedures, so those I\&#8217;m currently learning.</p>
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		<title>By: AB</title>
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		<dc:creator>AB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 20:15:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you are missing the whole point of your education.  You are not trained to work for someone else; you are trained to study the problem, find probable solutions, and just do it or hire someone for the implementation.  If you just want a job then you go learn a trade.  This is one of the biggest problems I see in Ph.D. students.  They want to have someone give them a job when they have the capacity to create their own job/carrier/business.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you are missing the whole point of your education.  You are not trained to work for someone else; you are trained to study the problem, find probable solutions, and just do it or hire someone for the implementation.  If you just want a job then you go learn a trade.  This is one of the biggest problems I see in Ph.D. students.  They want to have someone give them a job when they have the capacity to create their own job/carrier/business.</p>
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		<title>By: NL</title>
		<link>http://earlyretirementextreme.com/real-skills.html/comment-page-1#comment-7039</link>
		<dc:creator>NL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 20:10:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have found that getting your Technician is very easy. Hamtestonline is quite good and it will help you identify your weak points, so you can brush up. Once you have the Tech the General is a bit more complex, but if you are actively using your tech license, finding mentors is very easy. Code, though not required, is a helpful skill even at 5WPM. The basic knowledge of radio/electronics is very helpful on a boat, since many have DC power systems, it is a cross-over skill.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have found that getting your Technician is very easy. Hamtestonline is quite good and it will help you identify your weak points, so you can brush up. Once you have the Tech the General is a bit more complex, but if you are actively using your tech license, finding mentors is very easy. Code, though not required, is a helpful skill even at 5WPM. The basic knowledge of radio/electronics is very helpful on a boat, since many have DC power systems, it is a cross-over skill.</p>
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		<title>By: HSpencer</title>
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		<dc:creator>HSpencer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 14:36:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In my life and times, I have seen a whole arena of young men appear in my circles and become involved in various jobs, training, and learning skills.  In this post I speak only of males.  These young men came with everything from a &quot;GED&quot; to a Post Grad, and once even a West Point Education.  Some came with knowledge that was impressive in some areas, but was of no value in the particular area they were entering.  Some came with little knowledge of higher education, but had such natural minds of analysis that no task ever took them totally aback.  The most important key point in success, that I saw from this experience, was long term focus, or &quot;stick-to-until conquered&quot;.  Those men who had the confidence that no task was too hard, or too complex, or too time consuming, were the ones who always made the day.  Another good quality I saw in many of these young men, was the fact that they would soon adopt a mentor in the workplace.  They would associate themselves with an experienced person, befriend that person, and begin to absorb the wealth of knowledge that person had to offer. I have concluded that any person can make or break themselves, and a lot of it centers on drive and attitude, and most of all---confidence in themselves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In my life and times, I have seen a whole arena of young men appear in my circles and become involved in various jobs, training, and learning skills.  In this post I speak only of males.  These young men came with everything from a &#8220;GED&#8221; to a Post Grad, and once even a West Point Education.  Some came with knowledge that was impressive in some areas, but was of no value in the particular area they were entering.  Some came with little knowledge of higher education, but had such natural minds of analysis that no task ever took them totally aback.  The most important key point in success, that I saw from this experience, was long term focus, or &#8220;stick-to-until conquered&#8221;.  Those men who had the confidence that no task was too hard, or too complex, or too time consuming, were the ones who always made the day.  Another good quality I saw in many of these young men, was the fact that they would soon adopt a mentor in the workplace.  They would associate themselves with an experienced person, befriend that person, and begin to absorb the wealth of knowledge that person had to offer. I have concluded that any person can make or break themselves, and a lot of it centers on drive and attitude, and most of all&#8212;confidence in themselves.</p>
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		<title>By: tlblack</title>
		<link>http://earlyretirementextreme.com/real-skills.html/comment-page-1#comment-7032</link>
		<dc:creator>tlblack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 10:25:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s one with a zip code search.  That might help.  I can&#039;t see why they wouldn&#039;t have it in Oakland or in SF (probably more viable for transit).  I think the Palo Alto center is in East Palo Alto . . .but that probably doesn&#039;t help you.  

You&#039;re doing wilderness first aid too!  How fun.  I took that course, (not through Red Cross though) and had a blast . . .which is maybe weird, but I don&#039;t care.  Have fun playing with the dummies . . .oh, and maybe you&#039;ll get to learn to reset a dislocated jaw.  That one cracked me up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s one with a zip code search.  That might help.  I can&#8217;t see why they wouldn&#8217;t have it in Oakland or in SF (probably more viable for transit).  I think the Palo Alto center is in East Palo Alto . . .but that probably doesn&#8217;t help you.  </p>
<p>You&#8217;re doing wilderness first aid too!  How fun.  I took that course, (not through Red Cross though) and had a blast . . .which is maybe weird, but I don&#8217;t care.  Have fun playing with the dummies . . .oh, and maybe you&#8217;ll get to learn to reset a dislocated jaw.  That one cracked me up.</p>
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		<title>By: Jacob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jacob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 08:49:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the link. It&#039;s these two
http://siliconvalley-redcross.org/index.php?option=com_content&amp;view=article&amp;id=158:emergency-response-training-hspro103&amp;catid=75:professional-responder-courses-&amp;Itemid=164
http://siliconvalley-redcross.org/index.php?option=com_content&amp;view=article&amp;id=149:wilderness-first-aid-32290&amp;catid=76:specialty-health-a-safety-courses-&amp;Itemid=165
I may have to go south. I&#039;m closer to Oakland/east bay area than San Jose or the peninsula.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the link. It&#8217;s these two<br />
<a href="http://siliconvalley-redcross.org/index.php?option=com_content&#038;view=article&#038;id=158:emergency-response-training-hspro103&#038;catid=75:professional-responder-courses-&#038;Itemid=164" rel="nofollow">http://siliconvalley-redcross.org/index.php?option=com_content&#038;view=article&#038;id=158:emergency-response-training-hspro103&#038;catid=75:professional-responder-courses-&#038;Itemid=164</a><br />
<a href="http://siliconvalley-redcross.org/index.php?option=com_content&#038;view=article&#038;id=149:wilderness-first-aid-32290&#038;catid=76:specialty-health-a-safety-courses-&#038;Itemid=165" rel="nofollow">http://siliconvalley-redcross.org/index.php?option=com_content&#038;view=article&#038;id=149:wilderness-first-aid-32290&#038;catid=76:specialty-health-a-safety-courses-&#038;Itemid=165</a><br />
I may have to go south. I&#8217;m closer to Oakland/east bay area than San Jose or the peninsula.</p>
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		<title>By: tlblack</title>
		<link>http://earlyretirementextreme.com/real-skills.html/comment-page-1#comment-7029</link>
		<dc:creator>tlblack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 08:41:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I took that course a LONG time ago and remember having to call around and travel a ways to find it--this was in SoCal.

In case one of these works, here&#039;s the list of courses offered in the Silicon Valley with a contact number (uh, I think that&#039;s where you are, but don&#039;t actually know):
http://siliconvalley-redcross.org/index.php?option=com_content&amp;view=article&amp;id=222&amp;Itemid=182
 
Anyhow, I think you&#039;ll find it eventually.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I took that course a LONG time ago and remember having to call around and travel a ways to find it&#8211;this was in SoCal.</p>
<p>In case one of these works, here&#8217;s the list of courses offered in the Silicon Valley with a contact number (uh, I think that&#8217;s where you are, but don&#8217;t actually know):<br />
<a href="http://siliconvalley-redcross.org/index.php?option=com_content&#038;view=article&#038;id=222&#038;Itemid=182" rel="nofollow">http://siliconvalley-redcross.org/index.php?option=com_content&#038;view=article&#038;id=222&#038;Itemid=182</a></p>
<p>Anyhow, I think you&#8217;ll find it eventually.</p>
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