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		<title>By: Catfight Update; Help, I Can’t Control my Husband &#124; Barbara Friedberg Personal Finance</title>
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		<dc:creator>Catfight Update; Help, I Can’t Control my Husband &#124; Barbara Friedberg Personal Finance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jun 2010 13:46:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] in a spending reduction challenge with 3 other personal finance [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Credit Girl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Credit Girl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jun 2010 17:01:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting idea for a reduced spending challenge! I&#039;m glad to see you ladies are looking to reduce your spending. Just saving $100 a month can really improve your financial situation AND make you realize how much stuff you already have that you don&#039;t need.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting idea for a reduced spending challenge! I&#8217;m glad to see you ladies are looking to reduce your spending. Just saving $100 a month can really improve your financial situation AND make you realize how much stuff you already have that you don&#8217;t need.</p>
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		<title>By: Money Reasons Weekly Cache 2010, June 13 Drive &#124; Money Reasons</title>
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		<dc:creator>Money Reasons Weekly Cache 2010, June 13 Drive &#124; Money Reasons</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jun 2010 05:58:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Retirement Extreme:  The frugal challenge - Jacob is going a frugal challenge!  This is the challenge to take!  Much can be learned from [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Weekend Reads &#124; The Wise Buck</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jun 2010 14:54:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The Frugal Challenge &#8211; If you&#8217;re looking for a great way to get yourself going saving money, check out this article on Early Retirement Extreme. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: lisa</title>
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		<dc:creator>lisa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jun 2010 23:29:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Could you set up  guidelines for what we are actually to do &amp; not do? This is so vague sounding a challenge. We are a family of three who live on $1,274 a month , unless the husband gets overtime &amp; that isn&#039;t often.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Could you set up  guidelines for what we are actually to do &amp; not do? This is so vague sounding a challenge. We are a family of three who live on $1,274 a month , unless the husband gets overtime &amp; that isn&#8217;t often.</p>
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		<title>By: Money Funk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Money Funk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jun 2010 16:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LOL SMRM, &quot;And some of us have uncontrollable factors (aka – husbands).&quot; But this is so true. I could live off curry everyday with the lentils and veggies I have in my kitchen. But the husband...he doesn&#039;t eat that stuff nor will he live on it everyday. 

I am with SMRM on the giving away my stuff to charity. It is much too hassle for me to set up and meet with the buyer on the stuff I have. Perhaps if the items were significant in price I would think differently. But it is much easier for me to pile it in the car and drop it off to charity for a good cause {as I did a couple of weekends ago}. 

Now, I just need to go figure out my categories and their averages, because I kind of lump sum my variable categories into one. When I am out, I&#039;m out. If I have left before the following pay period, it goes in the bank.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LOL SMRM, &#8220;And some of us have uncontrollable factors (aka – husbands).&#8221; But this is so true. I could live off curry everyday with the lentils and veggies I have in my kitchen. But the husband&#8230;he doesn&#8217;t eat that stuff nor will he live on it everyday. </p>
<p>I am with SMRM on the giving away my stuff to charity. It is much too hassle for me to set up and meet with the buyer on the stuff I have. Perhaps if the items were significant in price I would think differently. But it is much easier for me to pile it in the car and drop it off to charity for a good cause {as I did a couple of weekends ago}. </p>
<p>Now, I just need to go figure out my categories and their averages, because I kind of lump sum my variable categories into one. When I am out, I&#8217;m out. If I have left before the following pay period, it goes in the bank.</p>
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		<title>By: Jacob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jacob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jun 2010 14:41:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Macs - The makeover takes 21 days to finish if you work really hard at it. It is not a temporary solution.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Macs &#8211; The makeover takes 21 days to finish if you work really hard at it. It is not a temporary solution.</p>
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		<title>By: Single Mom Rich Mom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Single Mom Rich Mom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jun 2010 13:00:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We decided that since we were in different currencies, family sizes and countries, it would be difficult to determine what was relative without some fairly complex algebraic equations going on. And some of us have uncontrollable factors (aka - husbands).

Besides, you just can&#039;t compare apples to oranges (literally) between a country like the US vs. Canada since the US food costs are 2/3 of that in Canada, gas is 3/4 - basically everything is cheaper in the US.  And Laura&#039;s in Portugal, that would be even harder to figure out.

AlexK - every month I post my totals by category.  I think my savings rate was 57% for the last 6-7 months, 4 of which I was working ~25% capacity.  Last year, my savings rate would have been over 75%.  But I tended to focus on the income side of the equation back then. 

Sam - we do allow boys into the competition. I don&#039;t know if you could stand the heat in the kitchen though...  :-)</description>
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<p>Besides, you just can&#8217;t compare apples to oranges (literally) between a country like the US vs. Canada since the US food costs are 2/3 of that in Canada, gas is 3/4 &#8211; basically everything is cheaper in the US.  And Laura&#8217;s in Portugal, that would be even harder to figure out.</p>
<p>AlexK &#8211; every month I post my totals by category.  I think my savings rate was 57% for the last 6-7 months, 4 of which I was working ~25% capacity.  Last year, my savings rate would have been over 75%.  But I tended to focus on the income side of the equation back then. </p>
<p>Sam &#8211; we do allow boys into the competition. I don&#8217;t know if you could stand the heat in the kitchen though&#8230;  <img src='http://earlyretirementextreme.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Macs</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jun 2010 09:15:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Jacob

I trust you see the irony in this statement:

&quot;Of course this will only work because the competition only runs for a month. For longer challenges, you’d need something like the 21 day makeover. &quot; :-)</description>
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<p>I trust you see the irony in this statement:</p>
<p>&#8220;Of course this will only work because the competition only runs for a month. For longer challenges, you’d need something like the 21 day makeover. &#8221; <img src='http://earlyretirementextreme.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Bankruptcy Ben</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jun 2010 07:02:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Isn&#039;t it cheating a little if you just reduce it for 1 month. You can put off discretionary spending for 28 day (most bill have 28 day terms). A longer term is probably unrealistic I know but I&#039;m just saying</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Isn&#8217;t it cheating a little if you just reduce it for 1 month. You can put off discretionary spending for 28 day (most bill have 28 day terms). A longer term is probably unrealistic I know but I&#8217;m just saying</p>
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		<title>By: laura@move to portugal</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jun 2010 06:48:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Jacob and thank you for the support!

The contest is a percentage reduction on expenses, possibly the only way to do it when we have differing family sizes.

@AlexK I think we&#039;re all quite frugal anyway, I blog my normal budget costs; grocery is £240 pcm for 4, so I&#039;m looking to reduce that as much as possible. In fact grocery wil be all I&#039;m spending for the next 3 weeks! :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Jacob and thank you for the support!</p>
<p>The contest is a percentage reduction on expenses, possibly the only way to do it when we have differing family sizes.</p>
<p>@AlexK I think we&#8217;re all quite frugal anyway, I blog my normal budget costs; grocery is £240 pcm for 4, so I&#8217;m looking to reduce that as much as possible. In fact grocery wil be all I&#8217;m spending for the next 3 weeks! <img src='http://earlyretirementextreme.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Jacob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jacob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jun 2010 05:58:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Sam - I&#039;m not aware of any metric to determine the winner. I think it runs on the honor system. Personally I&#039;m a fan of absolute performance (spent the least) rather than relative performance (reduced the most).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Sam &#8211; I&#8217;m not aware of any metric to determine the winner. I think it runs on the honor system. Personally I&#8217;m a fan of absolute performance (spent the least) rather than relative performance (reduced the most).</p>
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		<title>By: Financial Samurai</title>
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		<dc:creator>Financial Samurai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jun 2010 04:07:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d like to join, but how do we know how much we start with and who wins?

Should we put in an anonymous spreadsheet of our total monthly expenses?

I&#039;m assuming rent/mortgage doesn&#039;t count in the equation, or frankly any other unavoidable fixed costs?

Let me know!

Cheers,

Sam</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d like to join, but how do we know how much we start with and who wins?</p>
<p>Should we put in an anonymous spreadsheet of our total monthly expenses?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m assuming rent/mortgage doesn&#8217;t count in the equation, or frankly any other unavoidable fixed costs?</p>
<p>Let me know!</p>
<p>Cheers,</p>
<p>Sam</p>
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		<title>By: AlexK</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jun 2010 03:10:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The contest should be who has the lowest expenses, not the amount of reduction.  Otherwise someone going from $10k/mo to $9k/mo could win.

Jacob I would be interested in knowing the actual expenses and savings rates of your readers.  I live on about $1750/mo.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The contest should be who has the lowest expenses, not the amount of reduction.  Otherwise someone going from $10k/mo to $9k/mo could win.</p>
<p>Jacob I would be interested in knowing the actual expenses and savings rates of your readers.  I live on about $1750/mo.</p>
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		<title>By: Barb Friedberg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Barb Friedberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jun 2010 00:44:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Jacob,  I definitely resonate to spending nothing!!! That&#039;s exactly what I was thinking of! 
I love the idea of selling stuff.I&#039;m going to put some stuff up on Craig&#039;s list this week end (I have a pretty large supply of stuff!). Keep the ideas coming, they&#039;re really motivating &amp; I am a wonderful learner!!!! Best regards, Barb</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Jacob,  I definitely resonate to spending nothing!!! That&#8217;s exactly what I was thinking of!<br />
I love the idea of selling stuff.I&#8217;m going to put some stuff up on Craig&#8217;s list this week end (I have a pretty large supply of stuff!). Keep the ideas coming, they&#8217;re really motivating &amp; I am a wonderful learner!!!! Best regards, Barb</p>
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		<title>By: Single Mom Rich Mom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Single Mom Rich Mom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jun 2010 22:33:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jacob, you&#039;re revealing my strategies to the competition thereby lessening my chance at winning.  Grrr!  :-)

So far, the only thing I&#039;ve spent anything on this month re. the challenge categories has been for groceries.  If I didn&#039;t have kids, I could have reduced this to zilch, but I didn&#039;t have much for fruit, veggies and dairy stockpiled and I&#039;m just not willing to have them go without that stuff for a month.  I used the strategy of only going into the grocery store with a $20 bill last week and walked out having bought $18.57 worth of stuff, but could probably have got away with walking in with a ten-spot instead.  Then of course, we just had to run out of toilet paper today, necessitating another trip to the store.  But I wasn&#039;t as conscientious this time and walked out with a bill of $19 and change (thank god TP was on sale!) - some of the stuff I bought in addition wasn&#039;t stuff that was necessary, so I&#039;m kicking myself now.  Thanks for the additional kick from you because I really should know better.

With respect to selling off my crap, I find the prospect of giving stuff to charity organizations more motivating than selling it just to buy more stuff.  It seems the pain of realizing it&#039;s worth essentially nothing to me at the end of its useful life (if it ever had much of one to begin with) is a great stopper in buying things to begin with.

I went on a field trip today with my son&#039;s school to a local amusement / historical place - thereby getting free admission. :-)  It was kind of interesting to see that of the group of parents and kids I was with, I was the only one whose kid paid for his own candy at the candy store - and he bought about 25% of what the other kid&#039;s parents bought them.  And he&#039;s the only kid I&#039;m sure that doesn&#039;t get an allowance either and works for all of his money.  But that&#039;s something I wouldn&#039;t have paid for even if there wasn&#039;t a challenge going on anyway.

Interestingly enough, even though there are some categories that aren&#039;t included in the challenge (what we perceive as non-discretionary), I&#039;ve been motivated to reduce those areas as well.  It&#039;s just good practice every once in awhile to review everything and see how much value it&#039;s really providing you.  I think it&#039;s an excellent practice to go through the 21 day makeover at least annually and see where there&#039;s been some unconscious spending creep going on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jacob, you&#8217;re revealing my strategies to the competition thereby lessening my chance at winning.  Grrr!  <img src='http://earlyretirementextreme.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>So far, the only thing I&#8217;ve spent anything on this month re. the challenge categories has been for groceries.  If I didn&#8217;t have kids, I could have reduced this to zilch, but I didn&#8217;t have much for fruit, veggies and dairy stockpiled and I&#8217;m just not willing to have them go without that stuff for a month.  I used the strategy of only going into the grocery store with a $20 bill last week and walked out having bought $18.57 worth of stuff, but could probably have got away with walking in with a ten-spot instead.  Then of course, we just had to run out of toilet paper today, necessitating another trip to the store.  But I wasn&#8217;t as conscientious this time and walked out with a bill of $19 and change (thank god TP was on sale!) &#8211; some of the stuff I bought in addition wasn&#8217;t stuff that was necessary, so I&#8217;m kicking myself now.  Thanks for the additional kick from you because I really should know better.</p>
<p>With respect to selling off my crap, I find the prospect of giving stuff to charity organizations more motivating than selling it just to buy more stuff.  It seems the pain of realizing it&#8217;s worth essentially nothing to me at the end of its useful life (if it ever had much of one to begin with) is a great stopper in buying things to begin with.</p>
<p>I went on a field trip today with my son&#8217;s school to a local amusement / historical place &#8211; thereby getting free admission. <img src='http://earlyretirementextreme.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />   It was kind of interesting to see that of the group of parents and kids I was with, I was the only one whose kid paid for his own candy at the candy store &#8211; and he bought about 25% of what the other kid&#8217;s parents bought them.  And he&#8217;s the only kid I&#8217;m sure that doesn&#8217;t get an allowance either and works for all of his money.  But that&#8217;s something I wouldn&#8217;t have paid for even if there wasn&#8217;t a challenge going on anyway.</p>
<p>Interestingly enough, even though there are some categories that aren&#8217;t included in the challenge (what we perceive as non-discretionary), I&#8217;ve been motivated to reduce those areas as well.  It&#8217;s just good practice every once in awhile to review everything and see how much value it&#8217;s really providing you.  I think it&#8217;s an excellent practice to go through the 21 day makeover at least annually and see where there&#8217;s been some unconscious spending creep going on.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Austin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Austin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jun 2010 19:40:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amplification of 2nd bullet:  no plastic means also no ATM card.  This requires not only a walk to the bank, but a stand in line at the bank.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amplification of 2nd bullet:  no plastic means also no ATM card.  This requires not only a walk to the bank, but a stand in line at the bank.</p>
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		<title>By: OurTakeOnFreedom</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jun 2010 19:16:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We&#039;d probably win this summer. We&#039;re essentially expense-free, as we&#039;re soon to start working for teen adventure travel camps. 

Dollars in: Yes. Dollars out: Pretty much zero.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We&#8217;d probably win this summer. We&#8217;re essentially expense-free, as we&#8217;re soon to start working for teen adventure travel camps. </p>
<p>Dollars in: Yes. Dollars out: Pretty much zero.</p>
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