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		<title>By: Jacob Aziza</title>
		<link>http://earlyretirementextreme.com/why-i-wont-join-th-middle-class.html/comment-page-1#comment-18229</link>
		<dc:creator>Jacob Aziza</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Nov 2010 21:36:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think the slavery analogy is appropriate at all.

The Middle Class, whether it is conscious or not, CHOOSES to live that lifestyle.
This blog, and your life, proves better than anything that any one of them could opt out of the system at anytime.
A slave cannot make that choice.

Granted, if they have existing debt, and a judge turns down a deceleration of bankruptcy, it becomes a version of indentured servitude, but it is still an arrangement that a person goes into voluntarily.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think the slavery analogy is appropriate at all.</p>
<p>The Middle Class, whether it is conscious or not, CHOOSES to live that lifestyle.<br />
This blog, and your life, proves better than anything that any one of them could opt out of the system at anytime.<br />
A slave cannot make that choice.</p>
<p>Granted, if they have existing debt, and a judge turns down a deceleration of bankruptcy, it becomes a version of indentured servitude, but it is still an arrangement that a person goes into voluntarily.</p>
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		<title>By: Hannah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hannah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Apr 2008 03:41:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A-bloody-MEN.

Where I work (as a entry-level admin. assistant jack of all trades) I&#039;m surrounded by middle and upper middle-class people who fascinate me in their absolute stupidity. They complain and moan about financial anxiety and live in constant terror of losing their jobs, YET the parking lot of our office building is filled with LEASED Bmws and Mercedes Benzes. I had the unpleasant task of doing some of their taxes, and you would NOT believe some of the ridiculous purchases that these people make. One person had spent over $5,000 at The Sharper Image (a.k.a. junk) alone! And this same individual who by all accounts is drowning in debt, has elected to trade in his &quot;old&quot; (last year&#039;s model BMW) for a new one! Insanity. Yet this semi-retarded behavior is apparently the norm for most of the middle class. I think it all comes down to the need to impress the other rats in the cage. But you know, you can win the rat race (biggest cars, shiniest toys) but you&#039;re still a rat. 

The number ONE liability that disrupts FI is this horrid little nesting instinct that starts to develop the minute you begin to earn slightly more than you expend on rent/food. It&#039;s the nesting instinct of a confined pet. People should keep themselves hungry (go asceticism!) to remind themselves of why they started saving for FI in the first place. Freedom to be, to say, to feel, to live, without constantly and secretly quaking in fear over the chance that your &quot;master&quot; might elect not to to feed you your food pellets one day. I don&#039;t care how big or shiny your house or car is... that is just an undignified way to live.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A-bloody-MEN.</p>
<p>Where I work (as a entry-level admin. assistant jack of all trades) I&#8217;m surrounded by middle and upper middle-class people who fascinate me in their absolute stupidity. They complain and moan about financial anxiety and live in constant terror of losing their jobs, YET the parking lot of our office building is filled with LEASED Bmws and Mercedes Benzes. I had the unpleasant task of doing some of their taxes, and you would NOT believe some of the ridiculous purchases that these people make. One person had spent over $5,000 at The Sharper Image (a.k.a. junk) alone! And this same individual who by all accounts is drowning in debt, has elected to trade in his &#8220;old&#8221; (last year&#8217;s model BMW) for a new one! Insanity. Yet this semi-retarded behavior is apparently the norm for most of the middle class. I think it all comes down to the need to impress the other rats in the cage. But you know, you can win the rat race (biggest cars, shiniest toys) but you&#8217;re still a rat. </p>
<p>The number ONE liability that disrupts FI is this horrid little nesting instinct that starts to develop the minute you begin to earn slightly more than you expend on rent/food. It&#8217;s the nesting instinct of a confined pet. People should keep themselves hungry (go asceticism!) to remind themselves of why they started saving for FI in the first place. Freedom to be, to say, to feel, to live, without constantly and secretly quaking in fear over the chance that your &#8220;master&#8221; might elect not to to feed you your food pellets one day. I don&#8217;t care how big or shiny your house or car is&#8230; that is just an undignified way to live.</p>
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		<title>By: AJC @ 7million7years</title>
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		<dc:creator>AJC @ 7million7years</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 21:37:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rob Madrid said:

&quot;For the average person the best thing they can do is mimic the Millionaire Next Door , that is drive an older car, live in a smaller house, take less expensive vacations and pack alot of money away. In a few years your assets will be more than sufficient to fund a comfortable middle class lifestyle.&quot;

That&#039;s only PART of the $1m&#039;N&#039;Door story, the OTHER part is that you need a business (and/or be in the &#039;business&#039; of actively investing).

You simply can&#039;t save your way to a healthy retirement ... by the time most people get to $1m in savings, their passive income from that &#039;cash brick&#039; will only be worth $15k per year in today&#039;s spending power.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rob Madrid said:</p>
<p>&#8220;For the average person the best thing they can do is mimic the Millionaire Next Door , that is drive an older car, live in a smaller house, take less expensive vacations and pack alot of money away. In a few years your assets will be more than sufficient to fund a comfortable middle class lifestyle.&#8221;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s only PART of the $1m&#8217;N'Door story, the OTHER part is that you need a business (and/or be in the &#8216;business&#8217; of actively investing).</p>
<p>You simply can&#8217;t save your way to a healthy retirement &#8230; by the time most people get to $1m in savings, their passive income from that &#8216;cash brick&#8217; will only be worth $15k per year in today&#8217;s spending power.</p>
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		<title>By: Moneymonk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Moneymonk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 16:53:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;...However, practically, the middle class must hold some kind of job lest they run out of the money they need for food, bills, or lose “their” mortgaged home&quot;

well said. Most live paycheck to paycheck trying to pay daily expenses and splurges.

I at 50/50 I work and I also have side business, I invest a nice portion of my salary as well. So Im almost there!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230;However, practically, the middle class must hold some kind of job lest they run out of the money they need for food, bills, or lose “their” mortgaged home&#8221;</p>
<p>well said. Most live paycheck to paycheck trying to pay daily expenses and splurges.</p>
<p>I at 50/50 I work and I also have side business, I invest a nice portion of my salary as well. So Im almost there!</p>
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		<title>By: m-</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 13:24:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>People will argue/compair about anything shoes, cars, jobs, money, wifes, husbands, row-boats, yachts. Does it really make a difference? Not really... If your happy, who cares what other people are doing. People get rich, rich get poor... Mountians become bolders that move to stones that turn to sand... these are the days of our lives... blah blah blah..... 

Just try to make yourself happy, if people don&#039;t like you for being yourself. They can go piss up a rope...  Problem Solved.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People will argue/compair about anything shoes, cars, jobs, money, wifes, husbands, row-boats, yachts. Does it really make a difference? Not really&#8230; If your happy, who cares what other people are doing. People get rich, rich get poor&#8230; Mountians become bolders that move to stones that turn to sand&#8230; these are the days of our lives&#8230; blah blah blah&#8230;.. </p>
<p>Just try to make yourself happy, if people don&#8217;t like you for being yourself. They can go piss up a rope&#8230;  Problem Solved.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Madrid</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Madrid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 09:22:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A very eloquent summary of the idea behin Your Money or Your life. Problem is even with frugal living it&#039;s very difficult to resist the siren call of the middle class. For the average person the best thing they can do is mimic the Millionaire Next Door , that is drive an older car, live in a smaller house, take less expensive vacations and pack alot of money away. In a few years your assets will be more than sufficient to fund a comfortable middle class lifestyle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A very eloquent summary of the idea behin Your Money or Your life. Problem is even with frugal living it&#8217;s very difficult to resist the siren call of the middle class. For the average person the best thing they can do is mimic the Millionaire Next Door , that is drive an older car, live in a smaller house, take less expensive vacations and pack alot of money away. In a few years your assets will be more than sufficient to fund a comfortable middle class lifestyle.</p>
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		<title>By: AJC @ 7million7years</title>
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		<dc:creator>AJC @ 7million7years</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 03:25:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My father played &#039;keeping up with the Upper-Middle-Class-Jones&#039; his whole married life. It was a sham, we were in debt ... almost broke if not for family handouts.

Unfortunately, I had a goal that required me to live an even more Upper-upper-middle-class lifestyle [some would say Upper Class] ...

... the difference is that I didn&#039;t START living that lifestyle UNTIL we could afford it. That didn&#039;t come until my 40&#039;s ... before then, we lived well below our circle of friends (now, well above).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My father played &#8216;keeping up with the Upper-Middle-Class-Jones&#8217; his whole married life. It was a sham, we were in debt &#8230; almost broke if not for family handouts.</p>
<p>Unfortunately, I had a goal that required me to live an even more Upper-upper-middle-class lifestyle [some would say Upper Class] &#8230;</p>
<p>&#8230; the difference is that I didn&#8217;t START living that lifestyle UNTIL we could afford it. That didn&#8217;t come until my 40&#8242;s &#8230; before then, we lived well below our circle of friends (now, well above).</p>
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		<title>By: BPT - MoneyChangesThings</title>
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		<dc:creator>BPT - MoneyChangesThings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 02:59:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My son picked between a union management/research job and a corporate type job.  He makes less money, but he doesn&#039;t work as hard and feels like he&#039;s making a contribution to the workers&#039; lives and to society.  You can&#039;t really measure or quantify the value of feeling like you&#039;re doing something meaningful and worthwhile, but it surely has to be figured into the equation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My son picked between a union management/research job and a corporate type job.  He makes less money, but he doesn&#8217;t work as hard and feels like he&#8217;s making a contribution to the workers&#8217; lives and to society.  You can&#8217;t really measure or quantify the value of feeling like you&#8217;re doing something meaningful and worthwhile, but it surely has to be figured into the equation.</p>
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		<title>By: DJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>DJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 01:58:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was reading about the Aztec culture. If a man sold himself into slavery, he was allowed to remain free for one year so he could enjoy the money. To me, that doesn&#039;t sound like such a good deal.

It&#039;s sort of like selling your freedom to a Mastercard so you can enjoy comforts right now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was reading about the Aztec culture. If a man sold himself into slavery, he was allowed to remain free for one year so he could enjoy the money. To me, that doesn&#8217;t sound like such a good deal.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s sort of like selling your freedom to a Mastercard so you can enjoy comforts right now.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Austin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Austin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 18:16:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Freedom is the only true comfort.  (I&#039;m going to go paint my face blue now.)

The trappings of consumer-class life are more like sexual favors than comforts.

Though I concur with the sentiment, maybe we should be careful about characterizing home ownedership as slavery.  (There is no legal home ownership, only various degrees of home rental.)  Slavery is the boss telling you you have to do it, else you must endure detention, torture or death.  On a W-2, the boss tells you you have to do it, else you must simply forfeit the means to secure unfree comforts.  I believe the more appropriate phrase is voluntarily making oneself beholden to those means.

I&#039;ll quote, or at least paraphrase, a man I admire, the American military strategist John Boyd:  &quot;I will not be beholden!&quot; referring to why he would not work for the military-industrial complex upon his retirement from active duty in the United States Air Force in 1975.  Some say that he mistreated his family by refusing to live above the means of an O-6 (Colonel) retirement salary, but I think he did them the greatest service a spouse or parent could ever do:  he led by example, How To Be Free.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Freedom is the only true comfort.  (I&#8217;m going to go paint my face blue now.)</p>
<p>The trappings of consumer-class life are more like sexual favors than comforts.</p>
<p>Though I concur with the sentiment, maybe we should be careful about characterizing home ownedership as slavery.  (There is no legal home ownership, only various degrees of home rental.)  Slavery is the boss telling you you have to do it, else you must endure detention, torture or death.  On a W-2, the boss tells you you have to do it, else you must simply forfeit the means to secure unfree comforts.  I believe the more appropriate phrase is voluntarily making oneself beholden to those means.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll quote, or at least paraphrase, a man I admire, the American military strategist John Boyd:  &#8220;I will not be beholden!&#8221; referring to why he would not work for the military-industrial complex upon his retirement from active duty in the United States Air Force in 1975.  Some say that he mistreated his family by refusing to live above the means of an O-6 (Colonel) retirement salary, but I think he did them the greatest service a spouse or parent could ever do:  he led by example, How To Be Free.</p>
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		<title>By: escapee</title>
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		<dc:creator>escapee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 17:07:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought your wife worked? Is your income still below what constitutes &quot;middle class&quot;?

Are you worried about your investments (you need *some* money to live) when the stock market goes down?

For myself, another reason I see for dropping out of the middle class is as a form of protest over what my tax money is being used to fund. If I&#039;m not making 100k, then the government isn&#039;t getting 30k to spend on foolishness.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought your wife worked? Is your income still below what constitutes &#8220;middle class&#8221;?</p>
<p>Are you worried about your investments (you need *some* money to live) when the stock market goes down?</p>
<p>For myself, another reason I see for dropping out of the middle class is as a form of protest over what my tax money is being used to fund. If I&#8217;m not making 100k, then the government isn&#8217;t getting 30k to spend on foolishness.</p>
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		<title>By: Jaylin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jaylin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 16:15:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Two more comments: If I have a mortgage, not only does the bank own the house, but as long as there are property taxes imposed upon you - you never really OWN your house after you pay off the bank.      Also with eminent domain the government can take over your house for little or no reason. 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eminent_domain

Secondly - to Eden who &quot;wants to have enough to afford freedom&quot; - financial freedom isn&#039;t always something that needs to be bought. possessions and being in charge of millions can be restrictive and confining in and of themselves.  I always thought the movie/book Fight Club is about how &quot;things you own, end up owning you&quot; or how &quot;It&#039;s only after you&#039;ve lost everything, that you&#039;re free to do anything.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Two more comments: If I have a mortgage, not only does the bank own the house, but as long as there are property taxes imposed upon you &#8211; you never really OWN your house after you pay off the bank.      Also with eminent domain the government can take over your house for little or no reason. </p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eminent_domain" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eminent_domain</a></p>
<p>Secondly &#8211; to Eden who &#8220;wants to have enough to afford freedom&#8221; &#8211; financial freedom isn&#8217;t always something that needs to be bought. possessions and being in charge of millions can be restrictive and confining in and of themselves.  I always thought the movie/book Fight Club is about how &#8220;things you own, end up owning you&#8221; or how &#8220;It&#8217;s only after you&#8217;ve lost everything, that you&#8217;re free to do anything.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Jaylin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jaylin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 16:04:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I completely agree - being middle class is a close approximation to slavery. I also enjoyed the anonymous comment on Mrs. Micah&#039;s post because it descibes the values slaves in the rat race have and why they are perpetually opressed/subjected: 

&quot;I think the distaste actually stems from the rejection of middle-class values, since in modern society they connote conformity, passiveness, stagnation, bad taste, the banality of time wasted just existing in security. It’s the devolution, in a way.&quot;

I think the culture in America is to overstate the possibility of upward mobility. The streets are not paved with gold and has anyone tried “pulling themselves up from their bootstraps”? The physical impossibility of such an act should be a clue to how difficult it is to move within the system (that in my opinion is sabotaged by government subsidies).

What I really see in my life is the rich getting richer and the poor/middle class working hard, but also reasoning as to why they wouldn’t want to be part of the upper class. Yes, some millionaires work overtime and barely see their families - but the point is no one invited the middle class to join the VIP club of wealthy elites. It’s just not in the American psyche to admit that no matter how hard you work your entire life, you could still never get out of the middle class.

And I have to disagree with the statement: “Most millionaires and such have poured excessive overtime into their businesses and work.” Of course this is anecdotal, but the first 10 millionaires I know don’t work overtime because they don’t have jobs. They inherited their money and wisely invested it. From my personal experience, I have yet to see a rags to riches story unfold, yet have seen plenty of the rich get richer. But if you do have a rags to riches story, I am all ears. Feel free to post your story on my blog.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I completely agree &#8211; being middle class is a close approximation to slavery. I also enjoyed the anonymous comment on Mrs. Micah&#8217;s post because it descibes the values slaves in the rat race have and why they are perpetually opressed/subjected: </p>
<p>&#8220;I think the distaste actually stems from the rejection of middle-class values, since in modern society they connote conformity, passiveness, stagnation, bad taste, the banality of time wasted just existing in security. It’s the devolution, in a way.&#8221;</p>
<p>I think the culture in America is to overstate the possibility of upward mobility. The streets are not paved with gold and has anyone tried “pulling themselves up from their bootstraps”? The physical impossibility of such an act should be a clue to how difficult it is to move within the system (that in my opinion is sabotaged by government subsidies).</p>
<p>What I really see in my life is the rich getting richer and the poor/middle class working hard, but also reasoning as to why they wouldn’t want to be part of the upper class. Yes, some millionaires work overtime and barely see their families &#8211; but the point is no one invited the middle class to join the VIP club of wealthy elites. It’s just not in the American psyche to admit that no matter how hard you work your entire life, you could still never get out of the middle class.</p>
<p>And I have to disagree with the statement: “Most millionaires and such have poured excessive overtime into their businesses and work.” Of course this is anecdotal, but the first 10 millionaires I know don’t work overtime because they don’t have jobs. They inherited their money and wisely invested it. From my personal experience, I have yet to see a rags to riches story unfold, yet have seen plenty of the rich get richer. But if you do have a rags to riches story, I am all ears. Feel free to post your story on my blog.</p>
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		<title>By: Eden</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 15:46:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very interesting. I definitely agree that freedom is the reason to aspire to go beyond the middle class. There is nothing wrong with being at that level, but if you always *have to* work a job dependent on someone else you really don&#039;t have any freedom or consequently any real wealth. I don&#039;t care if I get *rich*, but I want to have enough to afford freedom.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very interesting. I definitely agree that freedom is the reason to aspire to go beyond the middle class. There is nothing wrong with being at that level, but if you always *have to* work a job dependent on someone else you really don&#8217;t have any freedom or consequently any real wealth. I don&#8217;t care if I get *rich*, but I want to have enough to afford freedom.</p>
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		<title>By: AndyS</title>
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		<dc:creator>AndyS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 15:11:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sounds like you have got your priorities straight. However, I may choose the financially free option, my wife and family like the &#039;nice living&#039; extras like the eating out and granite kitchen tops.....That&#039;s balancing life, money and happiness!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sounds like you have got your priorities straight. However, I may choose the financially free option, my wife and family like the &#8216;nice living&#8217; extras like the eating out and granite kitchen tops&#8230;..That&#8217;s balancing life, money and happiness!</p>
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